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-The West Coast-
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[REPORT] Harassment and Trolling

Postby -The West Coast- » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:52 pm

I've recently been in a debate about whether or not the Confederate Flag was racist and I brought up the argument regarding another poster's remarks that said laws in the early-mid-19th century stated that even though slaves think they're humans in the eyes of the law, they are property and several people have taken it upon themselves to harass me and call me a slave and troll me.

Vettrera wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:You still haven't managed to grasp ANYTHING I've ever said. Wow, this incredible.

Give me examples, boy, there's just too much uneducated slave bullshit for me to address all at once.


Westerheim wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:And your harassment.

You can't harass property, boy.


Vettrera wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:You're dangerously close to breaking one of the forum rules.

How so? You argued that a slave is a slave regardless of what it thinks it is, because it is "legally" referred to as a slave.
So as a slave, your arguments, and anything you say doesn't matter, no matter how much you think it is.


Vettrera wrote:
Destiny Island wrote:So what your saying is, you don't actually have anything to say about the fact that I called you out on your rather stupid hyperbole and you decided to just mock a rather small detail in my sentence. Got it. *nods*

Don't mind him, he's just a slave. simple, uneducated, property. His opinion doesn't really carry any weight on NSG.


It started with Grave_in_idle and Vettrera has made it his personal crusade now:

Vettrera wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:You know damn well my argument was about slaves in the 19th century, chief. Your harassment of me here is dangerously close to breaching site rules. I suggest you cease and desist.

A) You're a slave, your suggestions don't mean anything,
B) You argued that slavery as an institution was just. We passed our own laws making you a slave against your will, you are now property. If you agreed with your own opinion, you'd be siding with us.

This is a simple argument, even a slave should be able to grasp it.


Destiny Island wrote:
Vettrera wrote:A) You're a slave, your suggestions don't mean anything,
B) You argued that slavery as an institution was just. We passed our own laws making you a slave against your will, you are now property. If you agreed with your own opinion, you'd be siding with us.

This is a simple argument, even a slave should be able to grasp it.

nonononononono. You got it all wrong, he's not a non-person, he's 3/5th of a person, but only for population reasons.


Mod edit: added "[REPORT]" tag
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Postby Deneclia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:33 pm

Don't play their game. Some people are not mature enough to be on the Internet, and yet they're.

EDIT: Sorry, haven't figured out that this was the Moderation subforum, I came directly from the "Latest Forum Topics" tab. Won't happen again.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:36 pm

Deneclia wrote:Don't play their game. Some people are not mature enough to be on the Internet, and yet they're.

Please don't post in report threads unless you have something substantial to add or evidence of the same posters posting similarly.
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Postby -The West Coast- » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:19 pm

Has there been any moderator rulings on this so far? I know with a limited staff and real life engagements are an issue with all of us (and moderators especially), but it has been 2 days.
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Postby NERVUN » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:28 pm

I do not find it actionable.
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Postby -The West Coast- » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:24 am

NERVUN wrote:I do not find it actionable.

Since when is calling another player property, not human, and a slave not actionable NERVUN?

I'd appreciate another moderator's opinion because I don't see how you couldn't see how offensive being called not human, property or a slave is.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:52 am

Since I don't think Grave_n_Idle would necessarily appreciate my ruling on a issue where he's in part the original root cause of the report (though not the report itself), I have flagged this up for the requested second opinion from another member of the moderation team.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:46 am

-The West Coast- wrote:
NERVUN wrote:I do not find it actionable.

Since when is calling another player property, not human, and a slave not actionable NERVUN?

I'd appreciate another moderator's opinion because I don't see how you couldn't see how offensive being called not human, property or a slave is.

Limited as this is to one argument in one thread, this doesn't rise to the level of harassment. That much is clear. That leaves us with the standard repertoire of violations. Based on the context of using this as an argument of reducto ad absurdum, I have to conclude the same as Nervun. Under this specific circumstance, it's not actionable.
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Postby -The West Coast- » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:21 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:Since when is calling another player property, not human, and a slave not actionable NERVUN?

I'd appreciate another moderator's opinion because I don't see how you couldn't see how offensive being called not human, property or a slave is.

Limited as this is to one argument in one thread, this doesn't rise to the level of harassment. That much is clear. That leaves us with the standard repertoire of violations. Based on the context of using this as an argument of reducto ad absurdum, I have to conclude the same as Nervun. Under this specific circumstance, it's not actionable.

With all due respect, I don't see how harassment like this isn't actionable.
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