Site policy on "malicious" content

[The divided]

As many have stated before me this policy is totally unfair and unjust

This game used to represent to me a free world, a place where all ideologies had a voice and where accepted, sure there was some banter but there always is, know what im saying. But now this has happened and i have lost all faith in this game. A lot of the time this game seems to be communist controlled and that looks like a real possibility now, the mods pursue only leftist agendas and are terribly biased, now suddenly they ban nations with mottos saying "may the reich live for a thousand years seig heil", furthermore as i see players were not given proper notice to the new changes

No I don't know what you are saying. Please enlighten me. Saying that this game is communist controlled is lunacy, and it really shows that what you may be pursuing is past RP and getting into RL. NS shouldn't be a breeding ground for RL Nazis. Also, this is a FREE GAME, you are not required "proper notice for anything.

Also what they have done with the regions is horrific, LCG was deleted for no reason except that the mod didnt like her and then GGR was opened to communist invasion and the WTE had enough malicious trolling to last you guys a week. Neither did LCG adspam, if u want to ban people for following the rules on rmb recruiting then you have to ban hilly heaven

Already stated that LCG was deleted in error, why do you think the mods went to the trouble of putting in a replacement founder to kick out the invaders and cancel the cancellation of embassies, which would have been a bitch to re-add. They could have just said "them the breaks" and laid off it. Instead they did only what they have done now twice in NS history. (and at the moment with the way you are behaving, they prob should have left it alone as to give people like you a nice kick to the nads.

Also in WPWW was practically emptied, again for no apparent reason. It had 150 members and was left with 10. Even though the region has nothing to do with fascism and is actually about racial unity.

spare me.

Finally the nazi reich had their founder deleted even though he had no mottos and the region was emptied and destroyed. All the members of the region were moved to "fluffy bunny town" (check the fascist tag page), really the members should have been put in TRR but an immature mod clearly gets kicks from this sort of thing.

This amounts to nothing less than plagiarism, discrimination and anti free speech. When the moderators are banning people from saying the third reich will endure for a thousand years it brings to mind some people who stopped people saying things such as these examples freely.

Oh yeah it was the nazis and deaths

Free speech? For the last time this is not your property.

[Lopehi]

As many have stated before me this policy is totally unfair and unjust

This game used to represent to me a free world, a place where all ideologies had a voice and where accepted, sure there was some banter but there always is, know what im saying. But now this has happened and i have lost all faith in this game. A lot of the time this game seems to be communist controlled and that looks like a real possibility now, the mods pursue only leftist agendas and are terribly biased, now suddenly they ban nations with mottos saying "may the reich live for a thousand years seig heil", furthermore as i see players were not given proper notice to the new changes

Also what they have done with the regions is horrific, LCG was deleted for no reason except that the mod didnt like her and then GGR was opened to communist invasion and the WTE had enough malicious trolling to last you guys a week. Neither did LCG adspam, if u want to ban people for following the rules on rmb recruiting then you have to ban hilly heaven

Also in WPWW was practically emptied, again for no apparent reason. It had 150 members and was left with 10. Even though the region has nothing to do with fascism and is actually about racial unity.

Finally the nazi reich had their founder deleted even though he had no mottos and the region was emptied and destroyed. All the members of the region were moved to "fluffy bunny town" (check the fascist tag page), really the members should have been put in TRR but an immature mod clearly gets kicks from this sort of thing.

This amounts to nothing less than plagiarism, discrimination and anti free speech. When the moderators are banning people from saying the third reich will endure for a thousand years it brings to mind some people who stopped people saying things such as these examples freely.

Oh yeah it was the nazis and soviets

You RP a Nazi nation and YOU talk about a free world. Read the FAQ, Max calls NS his own "Father Knows Best" state. Max makes the final decisions, your opinion is not a factor of his decision making. And about free speech, this site isnt controlled by the US government, it's a privately owned site. You are not OWED free speech The way people like you are behaving, I wish the Mods made all the NS Nazis DOS players, including you and all your little puppets, NexinB, NexinC, etc. Immature mod? Mods wouldn't have become Mods if they weren't mature. Besides, it's people like you and NZ who are being immature. And "proper notice"? It's a free game, pay a dollar or two for it, then ask for "proper notice", okay? Now if you want to reply to me, use the quote function, unlike NZ, unless Nazis need the quote function to say der quote or some shit like that.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Alright, that's enough of that. Seriously. This is not 'lets beat up on one another' time here. We've already repeatedly tried to clarify, and instead I'm seeing a lot of snarking and hypothetical rules-lawyering and deliberate misinterpretations.

I'm an RPer primarily. Always have been. I've rp'd horrible things. I probably will continue to rp horrible things when appropriate to the situation. It's rp. It's not who and what I am irl, nor do I spend time promoting it, or blurring the lines between NS and RL so much that folks can't tell the difference.

This is what we're addressing. Not your choice of image for an in-game purpose. Not your 'RP' choice. Not that you can't play up the 'bad guys' image within the game.

It's what has always been in the rules, and has simply, as violet said, gotten out of control on the parts of enough people for long enough that some have mistakenly gotten the idea that promoting malicious content, as laid out in the site rules, was something they could get away with, for whatever reasons.

It isn't.

Things that have been going on the past couple of days have been addressed here, we're trying to work with folks, and remedy any mistakes made as best we can. Some of you choose to ignore this in favor of more rhetoric - I suppose that's your choice, but you're missing the point, and muddying the issue with a lot of nonsense.

Those of you who have an agenda against the players, whether invested or just in it for fun, who have been affected by this re-affirmation of the site rules need to step back, check yourselves, and stop the baiting, flaming, harassing, and all the rest as well. Because that is something we will come down on like a ton of bricks as well, make no mistake.

So. Knock it off. If you have a pertinent question we can ask, please do. If you haven't taken the time to read back through here to GET the answers already given, please do. If you're here just to stir shit, don't.

[Raven the Titan]

Hi. Quick question for the mods: some regions with offensive names (like Hitler) have been deleted. I'm guessing it's NOT okay for antifascists to refound these regions?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I don't believe it is ever 'ok' re refound mod-deleted regions, no.

[Raven the Titan]

Ah, ok. Sorry. *D'oh*

[Cormac Stark]

Regarding the situation in The Greater German Reich, I've removed the existing delegate from their position, since the invasion was only enabled by a mod mistake. See precedent in Roman Empire for us taking steps to correct moderation mistakes. I'd remove the invaders from the region, and temporarily password it, but I don't have time at the moment. If LCG isn't back after update and the invader delegate is re-elected, I will remove them from their position again and reverse all the changes to the region.

I presume you discussed this with other moderators before making this decision, Sedgistan?

The reason I ask is because I'm curious how many moderators it takes to see how this situation differs from Roman Empire. First of all, Leather-clad Germany was actually in violation of NationStates rules while the invader Delegate of Roman Empire was not. Secondly, the invader Delegate of Roman Empire could not return to the region and have unlimited power to get rid of the defenders who had piled in and undo everything that they had done -- whereas LCG absolutely does have that power. And third, the natives of Roman Empire were not Nazis who had made the game unpleasant for other NationStates players for years with the tacit and despicable approval (and now the help) of NationStates moderators.

If this mod decision isn't reversed I'm going to raise as much player fuss about this as you could possibly imagine. It will make Unibot's fuss over Rule 4 look tame.

[NexinA]

I don't believe it is ever 'ok' re refound mod-deleted regions, no.

In that case then MT refounded the nazi reich

[Jamie Anumia]

I don't believe it is ever 'ok' re refound mod-deleted regions, no.

In that case then MT refounded the nazi reich

Which has now been deleted from what I can tell. And you should report things like that by GHR.

[Vakolic]

Regarding the situation in The Greater German Reich, I've removed the existing delegate from their position, since the invasion was only enabled by a mod mistake. See precedent in Roman Empire for us taking steps to correct moderation mistakes. I'd remove the invaders from the region, and temporarily password it, but I don't have time at the moment. If LCG isn't back after update and the invader delegate is re-elected, I will remove them from their position again and reverse all the changes to the region.

I presume you discussed this with other moderators before making this decision, Sedgistan?

The reason I ask is because I'm curious how many moderators it takes to see how this situation differs from Roman Empire. First of all, Leather-clad Germany was actually in violation of NationStates rules while the invader Delegate of Roman Empire was not. Secondly, the invader Delegate of Roman Empire could not return to the region and have unlimited power to get rid of the defenders who had piled in and undo everything that they had done -- whereas LCG absolutely does have that power. And third, the natives of Roman Empire were not Nazis who had made the game unpleasant for other NationStates players for years with the tacit and despicable approval (and now the help) of NationStates moderators.

If this mod decision isn't reversed I'm going to raise as much player fuss about this as you could possibly imagine. It will make Unibot's fuss over Rule 4 look tame.

And in doing so, you will have my express and full support. This is a completely rash, despicable decision that really should never be allowed to happen. Wasn't the r/d game supposed, apart from where rules were being broken, to be mod-free? Doing a regions cleanup for them is bad anyway: when it's a region that precisely noone likes, it's even worse.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The raid was enabled by moderator action, and thus reversed by moderator action. Your argument falls flat on its face.

[Vakolic]

The raid was enabled by moderator action, and thus reversed by moderator action. Your argument falls flat on its face.

No. The mods reinstated LCG, that was renumeration enough. It should be handled like any other raid on a region with a founder: until the founder gets back, the region is raided. The natives can either ask for defender/merc help or sit around and deal with it, maybe have some beer and tacos.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The raid was enabled by moderator action, and thus reversed by moderator action. Your argument falls flat on its face.

No. The mods reinstated LCG, that was renumeration enough. It should be handled like any other raid on a region with a founder: until the founder gets back, the region is raided. The natives can either ask for defender/merc help or sit around and deal with it, maybe have some beer and tacos.

The precedent from Roman Empire dictates that when it is the mod's fault that the raid took place to begin with, the damage done by the raid is reversed.

[Vakolic]

No. The mods reinstated LCG, that was renumeration enough. It should be handled like any other raid on a region with a founder: until the founder gets back, the region is raided. The natives can either ask for defender/merc help or sit around and deal with it, maybe have some beer and tacos.

The precedent from Roman Empire dictates that when it is the mod's fault that the raid took place to begin with, the damage done by the raid is reversed.

But the difference is that in roman empire, there wasn't going to be a founder with zhe uber-banhammer of vonder und zhe leazher vip to come and kick out the raiders. In the ggr, as much as a lot of people here would love there to be no founder, their is a founder, a rather active one.

[Jamie Anumia]

The precedent from Roman Empire dictates that when it is the mod's fault that the raid took place to begin with, the damage done by the raid is reversed.

But the difference is that in roman empire, there wasn't going to be a founder with zhe uber-banhammer of vonder und zhe leazher vip to come and kick out the raiders. In the ggr, as much as a lot of people here would love there to be no founder, their is a founder, a rather active one.

The difference is minuscule in the sense it would not have happened without the mistake in both cases. And the raid of the GGR should not have been possible. That's the basis of the argument and there's no real way to dispute it so reversing the raid was, technically the correct action for the mods to take.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The precedent from Roman Empire dictates that when it is the mod's fault that the raid took place to begin with, the damage done by the raid is reversed.

But the difference is that in roman empire, there wasn't going to be a founder with zhe uber-banhammer of vonder und zhe leazher vip to come and kick out the raiders. In the ggr, as much as a lot of people here would love there to be no founder, their is a founder, a rather active one.

So what? The moderators determined that they screwed up and wanted to rectify the situation. If it were any other region, everyone would be applauding the decision and scowling at the raiders who took advantage of the moderator misstep. But region itself seems to have clouded your impartiality on the matter.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

The raid was enabled by moderator action, and thus reversed by moderator action. Your argument falls flat on its face.

More or less this, which I would think would be obvious to anyone who isn't pushing an agenda here. Yes, it was conferred on. Yes, it was discussed. And yes, it was suggested by several and Sedge just happened to be the one who cleaned up the mess.

[Astholm]

I will be open and honest here, and say outright that I agree that censoring any form of glorification of Nazi, or race-hate, is a good thing. Glorification of such things is wrong, as is glorification of a nation/region that promotes, violence towards a minority group, homophobia or disability.

I create fictitious races of people on here (based off European or Asian), but they are original in that they bear little resemblance to real-life events, except maybe that the languages are based off real life ones, e.g. Hindi, Finnish, Swedish etc. - but this is probably acceptable, since it's not attacking any group, and it's not hatred of them either, it's just creating something based on an existing thing - and in any case, it's not a copyrightable/trademarked thing anyway.


But all things considered, this policy is a very good thing.

[Cormac Stark]

More or less this, which I would think would be obvious to anyone who isn't pushing an agenda here. Yes, it was conferred on. Yes, it was discussed. And yes, it was suggested by several and Sedge just happened to be the one who cleaned up the mess.

Our agenda would be trying to do what you and Max Barry will not do: Get the Nazis off of NationStates. You do realize you have impressionable minors playing this game who are exposed to the Nazi propaganda, right? Seriously, go read The Greater German Reich's Regional Message Board -- Sedge should get a good look when he's unsuppressing it -- and you tell me that we shouldn't be pushing this agenda.

[Jamie Anumia]

More or less this, which I would think would be obvious to anyone who isn't pushing an agenda here. Yes, it was conferred on. Yes, it was discussed. And yes, it was suggested by several and Sedge just happened to be the one who cleaned up the mess.

Our agenda would be trying to do what you and Max Barry will not do: Get the Nazis off of NationStates. You do realize you have impressionable minors playing this game who are exposed to the Nazi propaganda, right? Seriously, go read The Greater German Reich's Regional Message Board -- Sedge should get a good look when he's unsuppressing it -- and you tell me that we shouldn't be pushing this agenda.

The mods have been quite clear on what happens if nations do push hate and similar opinions. They are still allowed to exist in the game, just if they play by site rules, and if they do promote hate, I'd expect they'd be punished in an appropriate way.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Go read the FAQ and One Stop Rules Shop and the OP here again. Playing a stereotype is not a crime. If so, we may as well just pack up shop and shut the whole thing down.

Harassment however, is. Going to temp tap this to give some of you folks time to consider some of that, because again, this is going circular with the 'you commie/liberal/socialist/nazi/jewish/atheist/christian/conservative/gay/straight bastards won't run the game how I want' arguments.