by Avalaun (Ancient) » Thu May 07, 2009 9:29 pm
by Naivetry » Thu May 07, 2009 10:06 pm
by Scolopendra » Thu May 07, 2009 11:18 pm
by Avalaun (Ancient) » Fri May 08, 2009 12:24 am
by Cameroi » Fri May 08, 2009 12:38 am
by Jovian Empire » Fri May 08, 2009 12:56 am
by Bears Armed » Fri May 08, 2009 1:12 am
That seems a fair point to me, although ("of course") many of those names are now in use for 'regions' and so letting nations have them as well might make things [slightly] more confusing...Avalaun wrote:I tried to create a new nation using the names of the UN security council permanent members, the nations of the G-8, some of the most populous nations not in either group (like India), and alternative and previous names for certain well known nations (ie: America/United States, Russia/Soviet Union, and United Kingdom/Britain/Great Britain). All are “reserved for former nations”. I cannot imagine that all of these now out-of-circulation names belonged to nations as influential as Naivetry’s averes Franco’s Spain was. I will even guess (in complete ignorance) that at least some of these nations were played unremarkably and for a short time early in NationStates history and have since fallen into forgetfulness. I expect that a vast number of players would like a chance to play these nations in the game (I suspect that a majority of NationStates players hail from a country that fits into the categories I used for my test), and it seems as unfair that none of them should have the chance since someone played a nation with that name for a couple of months in 2002, as it is unfair that someone should ride upon the coat tails of a legendary nation from the game’s history.
by Erastide » Fri May 08, 2009 5:46 am
The very fact that the Ex-Nation discussion is happening is *because* we're going to be attempting to release names if the forum tests out well.Avalaun wrote:Finally, to the point of the illimitable nature of the forums and the reappearance of names long since inactive, I have noticed that elsewhere in this section of the forum, there is a thread regarding a symbol to use for former nations (I commented there myself, endorsing a greyed out version of the default flag). I would recommend that such a symbol be used in the forum beside the posts of nations who no longer exist. That way anyone reading the forums would be aware that posts from Genericland from 2005 would in no ways be connected with Genericland as a new nation founded in 2009. (Apparently there was once a Genericland...I have no idea when they existed or what they did or didn’t accomplish).
by Avalaun (Ancient) » Fri May 08, 2009 11:03 am
by Anumia » Fri May 08, 2009 12:50 pm
by Avalaun (Ancient) » Fri May 08, 2009 1:56 pm
Anumia wrote:<snip>That said, I have over thirty living nations myself, and while many of them are based on the Anumian name, I cannot think of any time I have ever had an issue with a name I have thought of already having been used.
Anumia wrote:I can see the wishes of those that may wish to play as a nation named for a RL nation, <snip> and to throw them back out there now would simply mean a case of first come, first served, which would be snapped up very quickly, and likely everyone else (or at least most) that wanted those nations would be more upset than under the current situation. Cries of "why weren't the names released in my daytime timezone?" could rise loud and furious.
by New Onyr » Fri May 08, 2009 2:22 pm
If I were starting a game like this from scratch I would assign each nation created a unique ID number and let people play as many names as they want, with only the limit that there cannot be more than one nation of the same name in the same region at any given time. That way for things like the forum, users would know that the nation was “Gondor” in “Middle-earth” and not “Gondor” in “Middle Earth” or whatever. And they could check the ID number if they really wanted to. Too late for that now, I suppose, though.
by Kele » Fri May 08, 2009 2:32 pm
The dratted thing being round and constantly spinning just has to be dealt with.
by Erastide » Fri May 08, 2009 4:15 pm
by Vault 10 » Fri May 08, 2009 5:00 pm
by Avalaun (Ancient) » Fri May 08, 2009 7:02 pm
New Onyr wrote:[
The thing is, that would require
a) continents to be not chooseable or only once
b) people to always mention the continent next to the name, or at least where the mentioned might not write in that thread
Aside from that, I believe we already Have unique IDs, since the game is probably built atop a database. Unless the name is used as index, which is unlikely.
by Avalaun (Ancient) » Fri May 08, 2009 7:11 pm
by Naivetry » Fri May 08, 2009 10:15 pm
by Bears Armed » Sat May 09, 2009 2:29 am
Anumia wrote:to throw them back out there now would simply mean a case of first come, first served, which would be snapped up very quickly, and likely everyone else (or at least most) that wanted those nations would be more upset than under the current situation. Cries of "why weren't the names released in my daytime timezone?" could rise loud and furious.
by Anumia » Sat May 09, 2009 3:36 am
Naivetry wrote:From the side of the game that I play, allowing multiple players to have the same nation name so long as they were in different regions would be disastrous. My nation name serves as my handle in political discussions across multiple regional forums. If someone else were to take my name, or an obvious variation on my name, I would consider it to be impersonation. There is also the problem of mobility; many nations do not simply stay in one region.
Bears Armed wrote:Anumia wrote:to throw them back out there now would simply mean a case of first come, first served, which would be snapped up very quickly, and likely everyone else (or at least most) that wanted those nations would be more upset than under the current situation. Cries of "why weren't the names released in my daytime timezone?" could rise loud and furious.
Maybe they could specifically be released at suitable times for the RL places whose names they share?
by [violet] » Sat May 09, 2009 2:56 pm
by UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Sat May 09, 2009 3:30 pm
by Golden Triangle Tout » Sun May 10, 2009 5:03 am
by Murra » Wed May 13, 2009 6:32 am
Golden Triangle Tout wrote:I've known cases of nations long dead being refounded, especially after self-restoration became possible. I think we should stick with the current arrangement.
by Kele » Wed May 13, 2009 6:02 pm
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