The Southern Provinces wrote:Unsure as to if this has been mentioned before, but the regional officers list in a region's WFE just shows my flag.
Sorry about that; temporary bug, now fixed.
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by [violet] » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:13 pm
Trotterdam wrote:[violet] wrote:I'd like feedback on this, too. It's not just a cosmetic thing, because any timers are affected, too, such as the 26-hours timer on Communications -> Mass TG to Region. Options are:
- Timer resets on any change to the office (current situation)
- Timer resets only on authority changes to the office
- Timer does not reset; shows time of first appointment, regardless if authority has since changed
[...]
the timer should at the very least reset (A) when newly appointed, and (B) for any change that adds authority.
by [violet] » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:15 pm
Guy wrote:[violet] wrote:You're talking about the centering? It's a tricky problem to solve because it has to work with a variable number of entries of varying length displayed on screens of varying resolution. Screenshot your more hideous examples, if you can.
It terribly elongates it, especially by using large font and full nation names, as well as repeating the WA Delegate. It could honestly could be accomplished using a lot less space.
by HMS Unicorn » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:45 pm
Guy wrote:[violet] wrote:You're talking about the centering? It's a tricky problem to solve because it has to work with a variable number of entries of varying length displayed on screens of varying resolution. Screenshot your more hideous examples, if you can.
It terribly elongates it, especially by using large font and full nation names, as well as repeating the WA Delegate. It could honestly could be accomplished using a lot less space.
by NewTexas » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:47 pm
Mousebumples wrote:Pulling back on what Reppy (and others) have said above, can I get you to be more specific on what you'd like to see there in a perfect world?
by New Rogernomics » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:48 pm
by The World of Remnant » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:28 pm
by Lockdownn » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:32 pm
The World of Remnant wrote:/me needs to catch up
In the meantime - is it possible for the same drop-down selection list to appear under the custom settings, while retaining the ability to manually enter a name?
And handy warning when an RO ejects another RO, btw.
-Souls
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:57 pm
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:Do the Delegate and the Founder count against the limit of 12 Regional Officers, or are they seperate?
Also, at this time it appears possible for the delegate and the founder to also occupy an office. Is this intentional or is it a bug?
Topid wrote:Not sure if this was brought up but one thing I've come across is in the regional control of small regions there is a drop down box that lists(just like with the ban nation drop down box). When Topid left The United States it went from being in the first list (nations in The United States) to the bottom of the drop down box where the nations that are in the happenings went.
- all the nations in the region, and then
- all the nations that have been in the region recently and are in the happenings
This second list of nations seems totally useless though since when I picked Topid's name from the drop down box to make that nation an RO I get the message that says a nation must be inside The United States to be an RO. Which means appointment is working as it should. But my question is, why even list the second group of nations in the appoint nation drop down box at all if the only ones that can be appointed is the first group?
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Trotterdam » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:10 pm
From what I understand it is also possible to give the delegate an assortment of powers directly without making that delegate executive. (Which, importantly, means that simply checking whether the WA delegate is non-executive is no longer sufficient to tell you whether the delegate has teeth.)Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Intentional. For example, a founder could make a delegate non-executive, but give them access to all powers except border control via an officer role.Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:Do the Delegate and the Founder count against the limit of 12 Regional Officers, or are they seperate?
Also, at this time it appears possible for the delegate and the founder to also occupy an office. Is this intentional or is it a bug?
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:18 pm
Trotterdam wrote:From what I understand it is also possible to give the delegate an assortment of powers directly without making that delegate executive. (Which, importantly, means that simply checking whether the WA delegate is non-executive is no longer sufficient to tell you whether the delegate has teeth.)Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Intentional. For example, a founder could make a delegate non-executive, but give them access to all powers except border control via an officer role.
The advantage of making the delegate a regional officer is that any powers you assign that nation will then stay with that nation, rather than automatically being transferred if a new delegate is elected. This is very useful. Regions with founders may well prefer to leave the delegacy entirely powerless, instead conferring officer status to delegates they consider legitimately elected according to the rules of the region's government. In regions without founders, delegates will likely give themselves officer power to serve as a backup measure in case they are deposed from the delegacy (though it does nothing until then).
I can see no conceivable use for giving the founder an officer position, since the founder can already do everything and cannot be replaced.
Now that I think about it: if you have Border Control powers from multiple sources, does the game correctly have it cost Influence according to the cheapest source?
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Trotterdam » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:32 pm
Yes, but you didn't answer Renewed Imperial Germany's question, which is about the same nation simultaneously being both a WA delegate and a regional officer, and having (potentially different) powers from each position.Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:That's basically what I said - you can give them some powers without all, a line between the all or nothing today. Hell, you could even have a non-exec del and give the del nation ALL powers - which would protect you from taggers, while having minimal loss of powers. As you basically said.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:43 pm
Trotterdam wrote:Yes, but you didn't answer Renewed Imperial Germany's question, which is about the same nation simultaneously being both a WA delegate and a regional officer, and having (potentially different) powers from each position.Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:That's basically what I said - you can give them some powers without all, a line between the all or nothing today. Hell, you could even have a non-exec del and give the del nation ALL powers - which would protect you from taggers, while having minimal loss of powers. As you basically said.
What you talked about (a delegate being non-executive but still having other powers) is also possible, but separate. It is possible to have a delegate in that configuration who isn't also an officer, and it is possible to have a delegate who does have full executive powers but nonetheless feels the need to also make itself an officer.
Another reason a nation can be simultaneously a delegate and an officer: it is possible for a nation to hold a regional officer position before being elected as WA delegate, and simply keep that position.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by [violet] » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:32 pm
The World of Remnant wrote:is it possible for the same drop-down selection list to appear under the custom settings, while retaining the ability to manually enter a name?
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:35 pm
[violet] wrote:The World of Remnant wrote:is it possible for the same drop-down selection list to appear under the custom settings, while retaining the ability to manually enter a name?
Implemented, kind of: It's now the same as the main screen, where smaller regions get a drop-down box and larger regions get an input field.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by [violet] » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:36 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'd imagine that the way things are set up, the executive role would remain supreme - RO positions ADD the ability to access certain controls, from the default NO access. An Exec del has ALL abilities (except setting delegate exec status ), so additional officer roles would add no powers, but shouldn't take away anything.
by Lockdownn » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:51 pm
Lockdownn wrote:The World of Remnant wrote:/me needs to catch up
In the meantime - is it possible for the same drop-down selection list to appear under the custom settings, while retaining the ability to manually enter a name?
And handy warning when an RO ejects another RO, btw.
-Souls
As well as delegate. Like a notice for the founder or anyone that has executive powers over the region.
by Improving Wordiness » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:45 pm
NewTexas wrote:Mousebumples wrote:Pulling back on what Reppy (and others) have said above, can I get you to be more specific on what you'd like to see there in a perfect world?
We start our with that quote because you asked for it.
Everyone has been bitching and moaning over the last 3 years about the R/D game and how it is broken and needs to be fixed. And all these plans are offered up and all these new features are offered up to "fix" what is broken about R/D. The easiest solution is to fix what "broke" the R/D game years ago. Namely, the problem was caused by the nightly feed being in a set order every day and that order being revealed in the daily dump for anyone to harvest. That is what is causing all the problems. Fix that and R/D returns to a new, even and quite different playing field. It is a simple enough fix. Randomize the order regions update every update. Randomize or alphabetize the daily dump. The two should not match. Both invaders and defenders would stand on a level playing field once again.
We sincerely think this would open a whole new landscape for R/D. It may even lead back to the day of The Farker Years where pile-ons lead to epic battles of sheer numbers of invaders versus defenders and waiting for an unknown update to roll by and see who won today's battle after the update dust settled and then running out to get more before next update. Granted, it is not quite the same with ejections and banning now, but no one was using switchers then either.
Anyway, we are wandering down Memory Lane and off subject. Our point is, let's stop trying to put Band-Aids on Band-Aids and take the original one off. Randomize the update order! Randomize the dump! Free R/D!
* ducks *
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I'm a massive tool. ;)
by Trotterdam » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:49 pm
by Mousebumples » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:03 pm
Trotterdam wrote:Another cosmetic consideration: there is currently nothing on a nation's own page to indicate that nation is an officer. (Showing appointments in the national happenings is good, but they'll scroll away eventually.)
WA delegates have a fancy image identifying their status at the top of their nation page, and founders have the golden shovel-and-pickaxe trophy (two very different places, I'll note!), but officers don't currently have any sort of marking.
It'd be nice if it were possible to tell from looking at a nation's page exactly which priviledges that nation has, instead of having to go into regional administration.
by Topid » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:04 pm
Trotterdam wrote:Another cosmetic consideration: there is currently nothing on a nation's own page to indicate that nation is an officer. (Showing appointments in the national happenings is good, but they'll scroll away eventually.)
WA delegates have a fancy image identifying their status at the top of their nation page, and founders have the golden shovel-and-pickaxe trophy (two very different places, I'll note!), but officers don't currently have any sort of marking.
It'd be nice if it were possible to tell from looking at a nation's page exactly which priviledges that nation has, instead of having to go into regional administration.
by Trotterdam » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:11 pm
by Pierconium » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:46 am
[violet] wrote:Guy wrote:It terribly elongates it, especially by using large font and full nation names, as well as repeating the WA Delegate. It could honestly could be accomplished using a lot less space.
Can you screenshot and say which browser you're using? It's a small font with no repeating WA Delegate for me.
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