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"Heir" Function

Postby Crumlark » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:51 am

This is a method of allowing regions to continue having a founder if the founder is aware that they might not be able to defend the region any longer at some point, without the arduous, dangerous process of refounding (or account switching).
The Heir function acts like you would imagine it could. On the destruction of a founder account, the topmost Heir ascends to foundership. Only a founder can appoint 'Heirs', and they can appoint or dismiss them in whatever amount or ordering they wish in an especially designated list linked to the regional page as "Regional Heirs". In the event of an heir ascending to foundership, the WA Delegate is made non-executive, if not already (this is to counter the script that makes WA Delegates Executive, if the 'check status of WA Delegate' portion of the update would come before 'check status of Heir' portion.
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Postby Quilavaland » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:53 am

OMG YES! THIS! I SUPPORT THIS!
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Postby Jinwoy » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:54 am

ooh, snazzy idea
Sounds really useful... Now if only the mods weren't pro-raider enough to implement it xP
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Postby Christainville » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:00 am

Its a great idea, especially for monarchy regions. Yet, since this game approves your regions being destroyed, they wouldn't make it. Very good idea though.

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Postby Enfaru » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:02 am

I'd go with this. It'd take five minutes

But all the mods including Luna are so pro-raider that I've yet to see them implement anything that might hinder the raiders. Heck TBR are included in some of the World Assembly loading credits... >_>
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Postby SuperFruitland » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:04 am

Best idea I've seen in Technical for a while. Topkek. I'd support this, if I could.

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Postby Crumlark » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:16 am

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Postby Coraxion » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:18 am

Quilavaland wrote:OMG YES! THIS! I SUPPORT THIS!


NO! Suppress this! If you cannot keep your Founder alive or share access to it... You simply CTE.

Period!

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Postby Crumlark » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:20 am

Coraxion wrote:
Quilavaland wrote:OMG YES! THIS! I SUPPORT THIS!


NO! Suppress this! If you cannot keep your Founder alive or share access to it... You simply CTE.

Period!

Keep in mind, Cora, that only a founder can appoint heirs. So you get to keep your current pool of raiding targets, nobody is taking those away from you.
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Postby British Prussia » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:22 am

Wouldn't be too bad for monarchical nations too, not just regions.
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Postby Somstratzka » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:24 am

Great idea. I mean, defenders were giving up at a point. This could be the defender come back. *Star Wars Theme Plays*

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Postby Jinwoy » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:26 am

Somstratzka wrote:Great idea. I mean, defenders were giving up at a point. This could be the defender come back. *Star Wars Theme Plays*


I couldn't remember the theme, so the empire theme played instead.
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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:27 am

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Postby Jaririan Overseas Territorial Islands » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:29 am

Yes, many regions really need this kind of support, through this we can defend our homes better against raiders and invaders, all the disadvantages Founderless regions have can be quashed.

Though I doubt the Mods will ever implement it :(

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:35 am

Jaririan Overseas Territorial Islands wrote:Though I doubt the Mods will ever implement it :(


This is correct.



That's an admin's job.
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:56 am

This has been suggested before, and not implemented. If you're serious about suggesting it, I'd strongly recommend looking at the previous discussions and making an effort to address the arguments that were given against this change.

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Postby Tsarist Chernigov » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:00 am

I hope this will one day become part of it,as a way to prevent raiding.
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Postby Coraxion » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:20 am

Tsarist Chernigov wrote:I hope this will one day become part of it,as a way to prevent raiding.


The Way of prevent Raiding: (My 300-400th comment relating to that)

1. Keep founder puppet alive
2. Make delegate access Non-executive

---> All kind raiding prevented! Open Sesame!

I will get soon warning by moderation because I must repeat simple basics of the Game in every turn of it. Damn!

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Postby Jinwoy » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:28 am

Coraxion wrote:
Tsarist Chernigov wrote:I hope this will one day become part of it,as a way to prevent raiding.


The Way of prevent Raiding: (My 300-400th comment relating to that)

1. Keep founder puppet alive
2. Make delegate access Non-executive

---> All kind raiding prevented! Open Sesame!

I will get soon warning by moderation because I must repeat simple basics of the Game in every turn of it. Damn!

- Purist Raider -


There shouldn't be a need for a founder puppet...
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Postby Coraxion » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:32 am

@Jinwoy: If you have no founder puppet then you have no region or you have in principle region that can be raided.

'Founder' implies there are 'a region'. 'A region' doesn't imply there are 'founder' alive.

Handle with it.

It is The fact set by game mechanics, not me.
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Postby Nephmir » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:38 am

Enfaru wrote:I'd go with this. It'd take five minutes

But all the mods including Luna are so pro-raider that I've yet to see them implement anything that might hinder the raiders. Heck TBR are included in some of the World Assembly loading credits... >_>

Not to go off topic, but (a) Luna is not a mod and (b) Regional Influence and Founder nations were originally implemented to restrict Raiders.

@Everyone: This idea has been brought up several times before, known as "founder succession". However there is a change coming soon that works in a similar fashion, called "regional officers". Almost every "problem" raised by RPers or Defenders already has a solution in queue here:

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Postby Sichuan Pepper » Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:05 pm

Regional officers in no way address the founder succession / inheritance. It is simply a way to allow more regional members some administrative powers over the region.

I doubt this idea will be implemented as there was WAY too much resistance. As Sedge and others have stated. It has been suggested before so I suggest a search to see all the pro / con arguments that came up.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:09 pm

Enfaru wrote:I'd go with this. It'd take five minutes

But all the mods including Luna are so pro-raider that I've yet to see them implement anything that might hinder the raiders. Heck TBR are included in some of the World Assembly loading credits... >_>

Luna is neither a mod nor an admin...

Not sure what you mean by loading credits, if you mean the featured region or regional happenings then that is an entirely automated feature that simply reflects their activity.
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Postby Zaolat » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:00 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Enfaru wrote:I'd go with this. It'd take five minutes

But all the mods including Luna are so pro-raider that I've yet to see them implement anything that might hinder the raiders. Heck TBR are included in some of the World Assembly loading credits... >_>

Luna is neither a mod nor an admin...

Not sure what you mean by loading credits, if you mean the featured region or regional happenings then that is an entirely automated feature that simply reflects their activity.

...and the mods are hardly pro-raider either. Those that seem to are pro- gameplay/military gameplay or instead happen to be Mall.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:57 pm

Zaolat wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Luna is neither a mod nor an admin...

Not sure what you mean by loading credits, if you mean the featured region or regional happenings then that is an entirely automated feature that simply reflects their activity.

...and the mods are hardly pro-raider either. Those that seem to are pro- gameplay/military gameplay or instead happen to be Mall.

Man, I remember constant cries of "MODS R PRO-FENDA BIASED!!!!!" for years. Being accused of pro-raider bias is still a novelty!
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