[Idea] Only the last person in a region can refound it

[Glen-Rhodes]

This is an idea that came about from Nephmir, a raider, in the opting out thread in Moderation.

The suggestion is just what the title says. The only person who can refound a region is the person who was last in it before the region CTE'd. This would last for 1-2 updates, and afterwards the region could be refounded by anybody.

So, founderless regions can password their region, ensure that their chosen new founder is the last nation in the region, and then let it CTE. Then their chosen new founder can refound the region without fear of sniping from raiders.

[Bears Armed]

I'd support this.

[Elke and Elba]

I'd support this.

Same, support, but admins haven't been very receptive to ANYTHING in fact.

That is the biggest stumbling block of all.

[New Mushroom Kingdom]

This would work. 100% support.

[The Blaatschapen]

I'd support this.

Same, support, but admins haven't been very receptive to ANYTHING in fact.

That is the biggest stumbling block of all.

Admins have weekends too. And were busy with cleaning up after a DoS attack, 4th of July, etc. Give them some time to respond.

This proposal will also ensure that when a raider empties a region, they have a 100% success rate of refounding it.

[Glen-Rhodes]

This proposal will also ensure that when a raider empties a region, they have a 100% success rate of refounding it.

If anything, that only makes it more favorable as an option, since [violet] has indicated she doesn't want to do anything to give a 100% opt-out to anybody. Founder succession even had that threat.

But really, if raiders succeed in emptying out a region and passwording it, then they've already won. In my experience, defenders haven't made it a huge priority to prevent refounds, unless they made the region a symbolic fight, because of how much manpower it takes.

[Nephmir]

Thanks for the credit

And I'd only go for one update; like I said, someone has to empty the region, and if that someone doesn't refound it immediately afterwards, then they obviously have no intention of refounding it at all.

Also, this will help get rid of that cheating refound-interception that so many raiders and defenders claim as victories.

[Reath]

I think this is a very good idea.

Support.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Thanks for the credit

I tried to find your post, but gave up. I'll link to it in the OP if you can find it.

[Nephmir]

I understand, that thread is a disaster

Edit: here it is: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=303133&p=20790108#p20790108

And this: viewtopic.php?p=20790149#p20790149

[Reath]

It's unfortunate that the mods seem to be very opposed to this sort of thing.

[The Blaatschapen]

It's unfortunate that the mods seem to be very opposed to this sort of thing.

Don't see my criticism as outright opposition.

I just want to ensure that the issue is being looked at from various sides, and that a suggestion is being thoroughly evaluated and considered. Critiquing and asking questions is a way to do this.

[Shadow Afforess]

This proposal will also ensure that when a raider empties a region, they have a 100% success rate of refounding it.

It's a worthwhile concession to raiders, making it more valuable for them to stick around rather than tag pointlessly, while also making it important for natives to control an orderly exit of the region. It seems to add strategy and benefit both sides equally. I'm in favor.

[Mallorea and Riva]

It's worth noting that this idea would mean that anytime a region CTE its name would become unusable unless the last resident in there decided to restart the region.

[Mekhet]

It's worth noting that this idea would mean that anytime a region CTE its name would become unusable unless the last resident in there decided to restart the region.

Unless some sort of mechanic reset that after a set period of time. Boneyard technically does it.

[Elke and Elba]

It's worth noting that this idea would mean that anytime a region CTE its name would become unusable unless the last resident in there decided to restart the region.

Unless some sort of mechanic reset that after a set period of time. Boneyard technically does it.

Which the idea by Neph and Glen-Rhodes have evidently stated.

I'm starting to believe that mods actually don't read this carefully - proven first by Scolo's "it's just politics" flag DEATing and warning, a few more other incidents around, and now even Mall at this.

[Glen-Rhodes]

It's worth noting that this idea would mean that anytime a region CTE its name would become unusable unless the last resident in there decided to restart the region.

It's name would be unusable for 1 or 2 updates.

[Mallorea and Riva]

It's worth noting that this idea would mean that anytime a region CTE its name would become unusable unless the last resident in there decided to restart the region.

It's name would be unusable for 1 or 2 updates.

Oops missed that in the op. Seems like a reasonable way to deal with that particular issue if this was decided to be a good idea.

Unless some sort of mechanic reset that after a set period of time. Boneyard technically does it.

Which the idea by Neph and Glen-Rhodes have evidently stated.

I'm starting to believe that mods actually don't read this carefully - proven first by Scolo's "it's just politics" flag DEATing and warning, a few more other incidents around, and now even Mall at this.

Ya know it is possible that I simply skimmed through here and missed the line in GR's post. I didn't say "no this is impossible never".

[Nephmir]

Well if a nation CTEs, then the region follows suit, it should be open up to anyone, to avoid that specifically. A good point.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Well if a nation CTEs, then the region follows suit, it should be open up to anyone, to avoid that specifically. A good point.

Yeah I like the "if an update passes" solution. Still not sure what I think about the actual idea as a whole so I'm interested to see what others say.

[Elke and Elba]

It's name would be unusable for 1 or 2 updates.

Oops missed that in the op. Seems like a reasonable way to deal with that particular issue if this was decided to be a good idea.

Which the idea by Neph and Glen-Rhodes have evidently stated.

I'm starting to believe that mods actually don't read this carefully - proven first by Scolo's "it's just politics" flag DEATing and warning, a few more other incidents around, and now even Mall at this.

Ya know it is possible that I simply skimmed through here and missed the line in GR's post. I didn't say "no this is impossible never".

Never did say you said it was impossible, but your lack of comprehension as displayed by your response is worrying if anything is actually getting read properly.

Fris gave me a "no this is impossible never" reply in the other thread, without reading properly too as evidence from the response, so technically you are more nuanced in argument.

Ironic that you are here given that you were the one who started this entire thing. I have a sneaking suspicion you are actually not a hardcore-ultimate-raider anymore (yet still are one).

[The Democratic Nation of Unovia]

This would be allowing for an interesting situation....if it gathers enough support, I hope they do this. It would stop raiding with no responsibility for the Region.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Oops missed that in the op. Seems like a reasonable way to deal with that particular issue if this was decided to be a good idea. Ya know it is possible that I simply skimmed through here and missed the line in GR's post. I didn't say "no this is impossible never".

Never did say you said it was impossible, but your lack of comprehension as displayed by your response is worrying if anything is actually getting read properly.

Fris gave me a "no this is impossible never" reply in the other thread, without reading properly too as evidence from the response, so technically you are more nuanced in argument.

Ironic that you are here given that you were the one who started this entire thing. I have a sneaking suspicion you are actually not a hardcore-ultimate-raider anymore (yet still are one).

My dog was trying to eat my pizza while I was reading the OP. You'll forgive me if I occasionally miss things. Fris was pointing out that the idea has flaws which make it useless, especially in the context of other changes coming down from higher up which will have an unknown impact on the game. EDIT: for clarification, the "idea" referenced here is not the one found in this thread, but rather a different idea which Elke alluded to in the post I'm responding to.

So the situation is that raiders who get the last man in will no longer have to fight defenders for the refound, whereas native communities which lock and empty will not be at risk of having there's snatched. It's a trade off between security for the "winning" side and dynamic gameplay.

This would be allowing for an interesting situation....if it gathers enough support, I hope they do this. It would stop raiding with no responsibility for the Region.

How would it do that?

[Elke and Elba]

Never did say you said it was impossible, but your lack of comprehension as displayed by your response is worrying if anything is actually getting read properly.

Fris gave me a "no this is impossible never" reply in the other thread, without reading properly too as evidence from the response, so technically you are more nuanced in argument.

Ironic that you are here given that you were the one who started this entire thing. I have a sneaking suspicion you are actually not a hardcore-ultimate-raider anymore (yet still are one).

My dog was trying to eat my pizza while I was reading the OP. You'll forgive me if I occasionally miss things. Fris was pointing out that the idea has flaws which make it useless, especially in the context of other changes coming down from higher up which will have an unknown impact on the game.

So the situation is that raiders who get the last man in will no longer have to fight defenders for the refound, whereas native communities which lock and empty will not be at risk of having there's snatched. It's a trade off between security for the "winning" side and dynamic gameplay.

This would be allowing for an interesting situation....if it gathers enough support, I hope they do this. It would stop raiding with no responsibility for the Region.

How would it do that?

Fair enough. I can't hold you to the same standard as what I try to hold myself.

As for Fris,

I'll also point out that everything about an Invitation scheme already exists, except for the special button. A hidden password can be created. The Founder/Delegate can share that password to designated recruiters. Those recruiters can telegram trusted potential members. I'm not seeing a need for an additional button.

This is probably what is crux, since the rest is just filler for this to come. It is evidence enough that Fris didn't understand why the button is superior than the password, something mentioned a bazillion times.

Back to topic, I'm actually getting a bit worried with internal rivalries and sleeper cells, for this becomes a bit like the founder-designate problem all over again.

*mutters but oh well advice that sounds bitter falls on deaf ears despite being probably good*

[The Assassin ShadowX]

The only reason this Nephmir of yours suggested this idea is that so he might have an easier time refounding The United Study Group (which is occupied by his region and allies if you didn't get the memo) then claim it as a colony of their own region (never believe it if they tried to sell you tricks about them returning the region to the natives; they will never give it back willingly. Not in a million years)

This is a horrible idea.

The only time that it's applicable is when you have a founder who can swiftly kick out everyone within 1 update, but if you have a founder, there's rarely a need to refound.

If you're a native delegate of a founderless region however, then there's a good chance you don't have enough influence to kick everyone out in one day. And when you start kicking out your people gradually throughout the week or however long it takes you, raiders can easily tell that you are trying to refound. So they can move in (in larger numbers than you have) stay for few days, kick out all the natives, and refound the region for their own.

Now I am a casual raider myself, but I am an honest one. I don't go around selling lies about how my interests is the natives rights when infact it's purely mine.