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What Is Regional Influence?

Postby The Wonderful World of Zak Bagans » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:23 pm

I seen the thing in my nation's page called "Regional Influence". And I find it rather strange that it stays on "Minnow". How does this feature work and how do I increase this status?
I've heard that WA endorsements can affect it and that when you create a region with just yourself in it, your regional influence goes to "Hermit".
Is there more to this possibly? And if so, can someone explain it to me? (in layman's terms please)
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Postby Leutria » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:30 pm

It has to do with what percentage of all the influence in the region you have. Your influence is viewable on your nation's analysis page (note, this shows your influence in all regions, not just your current one. If you have not moved recently you should only have influence in your current region).

Your influence increases the longer you are in the region, and faster if you have more endorsements. Influence decreases over time when you are no longer in the region, or if you spend influence as the delegate.

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Postby Me or PHP » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:47 pm

Okay, okay okay okay okay

What is influence? Well that depends.

First, Minnow/Hermit...etc refer to relative influence, that is your influence level relative to the other people in your region.

So FORGET about that nonsense for now. Jesus the Carpenter, don't put the donkey before the cart, okay?

To see what your influence number is, go here: CLICK THIS

This is called your Soft Power Disbursement Rating, or SPDR.

Your SPDR is your influence number.

How does the SPDR get calculated?

sqrt(endorsements+1).

So if you have 24 endorsements, your SPDR will be 5.

BUT WAIT!!!!

It is not a linear growth, as you can see by the square root.

To see how your SPDR grows, you have to do this:

(SPDR_I_WANT^2 - SPDR_I_HAVE^2) = ENDORSEMENTS NEEDED

So if you are at 5 SPDR, to get to 6 you need

36 - 25 = 9 = 9 Endorsements Needed

So obviously that would happen the next update, but the higher you go, the more endorsements you need. Just try it out.

If your endorsements needed is over the endorsements you have, divide that by ((your current endorsement number + 1) * 2) to get how many days it will take you.

So, how long will it take me to get from 5 SPDR to 100 SPDR?

10000 - 25 = 9975 Endorsements Needed

If I have 24 endorsements, plus 1, 25, times two equals 50.

9975/50 = 200 Days

So as you can see, the higher up you go, the harder it is to get your SPDR higher.

The influence ranks, Minnow, Hermit, etc are your percentage of influence relative to everyone else.

So you may always stay minnow if you don't have enough endorsements, because everyone's SPDR is growing according the equations I showed you. If you want to get a higher percentage, you usually need more endorsements for a longer period of time then them.

Use the link I showed you to compare yourself with the other members of your region and you will see why you are a minnow, to get this rank up your SPDR needs to get closer to their SPDR, and you can use the equations to see how many endorsements you need to do that.

Just remember, they are growing too, and the higher the SPDR, the longer it takes, because it is exponential, not linear.

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Postby Leutria » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:32 pm

Me or PHP wrote:-snip-

You don't quite get how influence increases do you? You still gain influence even if you have no endorsements, it's just faster with more. Notice how the OP has 0 endorsements but a SPDR of 6?

Edit: I will also note that I currently have 0 endorsements and my SPDR score is 58.

I took a look, and this is what I found on the equation:
Influence growth is calculated by the number of endorsements a nation has plus 1. That number is squared and added to the "true influence value" of a nation, which is subsequently sqrt'd to calculate the SPDR. It takes half of a target nation's influence to eject them from a region and it takes a third of a target nation's influence to ban them from a region.



Edit2: Seems I had not read Me or PHP's post right. He is right, though what I quoted above is also correct (just the short version). I apologize for the somewhat rude tone of the post as well.
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Postby Me or PHP » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:36 pm

Leutria wrote:
Me or PHP wrote:-snip-

You don't quite get how influence increases do you? You still gain influence even if you have no endorsements, it's just faster with more. Notice how the OP has 0 endorsements but a SPDR of 6?


Add 1 doofus

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Postby Leutria » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:42 pm

Me or PHP wrote:
Leutria wrote:You don't quite get how influence increases do you? You still gain influence even if you have no endorsements, it's just faster with more. Notice how the OP has 0 endorsements but a SPDR of 6?


Add 1 doofus

And then how to you account for me having an SPDR value of 58?

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Postby Me or PHP » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:56 pm

Leutria wrote:
Me or PHP wrote:
Add 1 doofus

And then how to you account for me having an SPDR value of 58?


You have been WA'd before, so you can do the math and figure it out yourself.

If you had never been WA it would have taken you about 4 years to get that far, instead it only took you about a year because you had WA before, and had some endorsements pushing your count up.

YOUR HISTORY

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Postby Leutria » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:01 pm

Me or PHP wrote:
Leutria wrote:And then how to you account for me having an SPDR value of 58?


You have been WA'd before, so you can do the math and figure it out yourself.

If you had never been WA it would have taken you about 4 years to get that far, instead it only took you about a year because you had WA before, and had some endorsements pushing your count up.

YOUR HISTORY

Then you do properly see how it increases, good. Your description of it is confusing though, it mentions nothing of it being over time, but rather describes it strictly as being a function of your number of endorsements.

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Postby Me or PHP » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:03 pm

Leutria wrote:
Me or PHP wrote:
You have been WA'd before, so you can do the math and figure it out yourself.

If you had never been WA it would have taken you about 4 years to get that far, instead it only took you about a year because you had WA before, and had some endorsements pushing your count up.

YOUR HISTORY

Then you do properly see how it increases, good. Your description of it is confusing though, it mentions nothing of it being over time, but rather describes it strictly as being a function of your number of endorsements.


Read my post again darling, it may be confusing but I clearly mention that it happens over time.

Get it right.

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Postby Leutria » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:11 pm

Me or PHP wrote:
Leutria wrote:Then you do properly see how it increases, good. Your description of it is confusing though, it mentions nothing of it being over time, but rather describes it strictly as being a function of your number of endorsements.


Read my post again darling, it may be confusing but I clearly mention that it happens over time.

Get it right.

I will note things you said like
So, how long will it take me to get from 5 SPDR to 100 SPDR?

10000 - 25 = 9975 Endorsements Needed

While I can promise you many nations have gotten to 100 without ever having that many endorsements. The current delegate of my region has an SPDR of over 100 while never having had more then 30. I find the description I quoted much easier to understand, but still, you mention nothing about how every day your influence increases, and that you could sit at 10 endorsements over a year and end up with 34 influence. It would suggest you need to have 1155 endorsements to get that much influence, which is simply wrong.

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Postby Me or PHP » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:15 pm

Leutria wrote:
Me or PHP wrote:
Read my post again darling, it may be confusing but I clearly mention that it happens over time.

Get it right.

I will note things you said like
So, how long will it take me to get from 5 SPDR to 100 SPDR?

10000 - 25 = 9975 Endorsements Needed

While I can promise you many nations have gotten to 100 without ever having that many endorsements. The current delegate of my region has an SPDR of over 100 while never having had more then 30. I find the description I quoted much easier to understand, but still, you mention nothing about how every day your influence increases, and that you could sit at 10 endorsements over a year and end up with 34 influence. It would suggest you need to have 1155 endorsements to get that much influence, which is simply wrong.


You didn't read the whole thing properly.

It isn't 9975 endorsements at once.

Me or PHP wrote:So, how long will it take me to get from 5 SPDR to 100 SPDR?

10000 - 25 = 9975 Endorsements Needed

If I have 24 endorsements, plus 1, 25, times two equals 50.

9975/50 = 200 Days



9975 is total endorsements after each update, on and on until you hit that number, it doesn't mean you ever have that many endorsements, and that is clear if you would follow the math and stop skimming.

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Postby Leutria » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:22 pm

Sigh, well apparently I did miss that part of your desription insite of having read it over several times, another advantage of the short version I quoted :P

Still, I have accelerated in every math course I have taken and even considered a major in math (choosing to study biology instead), so the issue was not my math skills.

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Postby Me or PHP » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:23 pm

Leutria wrote:Sigh, well apparently I did miss that part of your desription insite of having read it over several times, another advantage of the short version I quoted :P

Still, I have accelerated in every math course I have taken and even considered a major in math (choosing to study biology instead), so the issue was not my math skills.


Okay fine, next time I will write better :P


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