NationStates++ | Browser Extension for NationStates

[Leutria]

Oh Afforess, is any other Technical Forum regular more capable of creating controversy then you?

Anyway, I sort of see things like that as a sort of add, and generally I support websites using advertisement to keep themselves running, so in the same way I will not argue with the odd 'advertisement' built into NS++, but rather view it as the cost of using his free utility.

[The Blaatschapen]

Oh Afforess, is any other Technical Forum regular more capable of creating controversy then you?

[violet] is more capable (she could, after all, destroy the game ). She just does not use her abilities fully.

[Leutria]

Oh Afforess, is any other Technical Forum regular more capable of creating controversy then you?

[violet] is more capable (she could, after all, destroy the game ). She just does not use her abilities fully.

Hmm, true. Perhaps I should have said "does any Technical Forum regular create more controversy then you"

[New Grestin]

That question is worded wrong, it should say...

Should this extension be used to promote personal agendas?

No. I think this is a spectacular overreaction to a small thing by Afforess, and it's not cool.

Can this extension be used to promote personal agendas?

Of course, Afforess can do whatever the fuck (s)he wants to. It's clearly legal.

What on earth am I going on about?

Caveat emptor. If you're going to download NS+, you're going to have to deal with shit like this because of its lack of oversight.

So if Afforess decides to be a prick and campaign for something or tries to manipulate NS+ users, don't be surprised. Personally, this is why I don't and never will use NS+.

Sorry to interject, I just have an opinion.

This is an EXCEEDINGLY valid point, NS++ shouldn't be used for political message mongering, but if Afforess feels the need to, then it's perfectly legal.

Personally? I didn't even notice it, I only saw the TG, which I promptly deleted. I only became aware of this after it turned into a thing. Is it stupid? Yeah. Was it heavyhanded? Also yes. But if I didn't even notice it, I doubt the average newbie would even acknowledge it. That's not saying that people wouldn't notice, or that it hasn't clearly swayed the vote in some manner, but that's just my two cents.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Personally? I didn't even notice it, I only saw the TG, which I promptly deleted. I only became aware of this after it turned into a thing. Is it stupid? Yeah. Was it heavyhanded? Also yes. But if I didn't even notice it, I doubt the average newbie would even acknowledge it. That's not saying that people wouldn't notice, or that it hasn't clearly swayed the vote in some manner, but that's just my two cents.

I think it's a fair assessment that the whole thing helped me get the Condemnation that I wanted. The voting data seems to support that conclusion. Individual voters overcame the normal "lemming affect" associated with big delegates voting early and overwhelmingly voted for it. So essentially Afforess spent 18 bucks and not a small amount of his userbase and trust to help me get a shiny badge. All in the name of trying to beat me.

It is also worth noting that near the end of voting on the GA#2 thing, there was a marked increase in individual voters voting "for" it. You could spot on the graph where Aff had sent the TG. But of course with less than 15 hours left on the thing, it was too little too late. Just a few hours after it was sent, the Condemnation went to vote, and those individual voters started going for my Condemnation.

So for those of you out there who're giving up NS++ over this whole thing(and I am one of them, due to some hilariously ironic trust issues), don't tag Aff too hard over it. This was a major screw up on his part, and I'm sure he's kicking himself over it a little.

[Jobat]

IIRC this isn't the first time he's inserted his views in NS++. I seem to recall talk about him adding his 2 cents if a certain issue came up. I don't remember the issue, and never got it when using NS++, but I read it somewhere.

This isn't enough to put me off NS ++, but I do see concerns.

[Enfaru]

There are a couple of trap issues, which NS++ flags up as dismiss with extreme prejudice. That's all I've found so far.

[Parhe]

Does anyone else lag with the puppet imports? I recently just imported a list of my nations I believe as correct file*. However, even time I click on "puppets" on the op while on NS it lags horribly.

*I did it as, without the quotes "nationname,password"

[Capisaria]

Would there be a way to make the graphs on pages like "trend" be zoomable, with dates and times for when each rating was recorded?

[Enfaru]

Would there be a way to make the graphs on pages like "trend" be zoomable, with dates and times for when each rating was recorded?

I second that! In the same or a similar way to how the price of the Bytecoin was done. The longer one at the bottom was zoomable.

Of course, this is more applicable to older regions....

[Shadow Afforess]

Why is the extension being used for personal agendas?

My "Personal" agenda for NationStates involves improving the game for everyone. NationStates++ is one aspect of that.

Albeit it's probably suuuuuuper unethical. Like... I'm the kind of guy that can brush this off and laugh about it. If he uses this on someone else who both cares, and is maybe a little less well established... he could just ruin them because he doesn't like them. So while this specific incident is hilarious, the precedent it sets is dangerous as hell.

I am a Kantian, and this sort of notice is not unethical under the Kantian framework.

Just a note - Shadow Afforess has a three day forumban so can't reply to your posts.

was he behind that troll puppet?

No. I do not use sockpuppets to espouse my views. That would be dishonest.

• Https-Only feature for NS (redirects all http links to https equivalent)

Mentioned this before, but be aware that https is still in testing, and until it's officially released it may go away, either permanently or temporarily while I fiddle with things. You may want to make sure this wouldn't leave NS++ users completely unable to access the site.

Because NS++ user settings are synced to my servers, I can remotely change any user settings. I never have needed to, but if such a problem occurred, I would take such an action.

[Note to Future Readers: Puppets are not included in NS++ settings and are not synced anywhere. They stay on your machine local storage only. ]

So if Afforess decides to be a prick and campaign for something or tries to manipulate NS+ users, don't be surprised. Personally, this is why I don't and never will use NS+.

Sorry to interject, I just have an opinion.

This thread is meant for NationStates++ discussion, help, and improvements. If you're not a user, nor plan on being one, you don't belong here. You're clearly not my audience, and since you have no plans on using it, I have zero incentive to listen to any opinions you may have.

Agreed.

It's a big pile of crazy, the whole thing. Afforess though that such a short-sighted plan would work? People taking the World Assembly seriously? What the fuck man, what the fuck. Promotion like that won't make people happy, the World Assembly is far too much of a jumblefuck to be taken seriously, and personal vendettas are best ignored 'round these parts.

I would like to mention that I received many "thank you" telegrams after the incident as well. There were dozens of people who replied back and were glad I made them aware of the incident. I rather feel the forums represent a rather shallow pool of loud players who do not represent the majority.

Oh Afforess, is any other Technical Forum regular more capable of creating controversy then you?

I have to keep people on their toes.

Anyway, I sort of see things like that as a sort of add, and generally I support websites using advertisement to keep themselves running, so in the same way I will not argue with the odd 'advertisement' built into NS++, but rather view it as the cost of using his free utility.

The eternal rationalist. I like you.

I think it's a fair assessment that the whole thing helped me get the Condemnation that I wanted. The voting data seems to support that conclusion. Individual voters overcame the normal "lemming affect" associated with big delegates voting early and overwhelmingly voted for it. So essentially Afforess spent 18 bucks and not a small amount of his userbase and trust to help me get a shiny badge. All in the name of trying to beat me.

Whether or not you wanted the WA badge is irrelevant. It's a red herring used to distract voters who are not intelligent enough to see past manipulation. The Condemnation Badge is intended to highlight nations who have committed atrocities worth noting. Whether or not you are proud of them is irrelevant. Hitler was proud of the Holocaust. That does not mean we should not condemn him for it. Likewise with you.

So for those of you out there who're giving up NS++ over this whole thing(and I am one of them, due to some hilariously ironic trust issues), don't tag Aff too hard over it. This was a major screw up on his part, and I'm sure he's kicking himself over it a little.

If you gave me a time-machine that took me back exactly 3 days in time, I would do exactly the same thing all over again. In fact, I regret not doing it sooner. I considered implementing right after my threat, but I decided to sleep on it. Next time, I will not hesitate.

IIRC this isn't the first time he's inserted his views in NS++. I seem to recall talk about him adding his 2 cents if a certain issue came up. I don't remember the issue, and never got it when using NS++, but I read it somewhere.

This isn't enough to put me off NS ++, but I do see concerns.

Yes, there is an alert on one issue.

Does anyone else lag with the puppet imports? I recently just imported a list of my nations I believe as correct file*. However, even time I click on "puppets" on the op while on NS it lags horribly.

*I did it as, without the quotes "nationname,password"

For very large files, I could see this causing lag, but I doubt you have enough puppets to make this noticeable. About how many puppets are we talking here?

[Shadow Afforess]

Would there be a way to make the graphs on pages like "trend" be zoomable, with dates and times for when each rating was recorded?

I think this would be possible. There seems to be 1 data point for each day. I would need violet to confirm this fact. If this is the case, the graph could be re-rendered for various timeslices and show dates.

[Parhe]

2005 nations.

[Shadow Afforess]

2005 nations.

That *is* rather large. I can definitely imagine that causing a second or two of lag. Simply the nature of browsers and javascript. It's not terribly fast.

[Parhe]

2005 nations.

That *is* rather large. I can definitely imagine that causing a second or two of lag. Simply the nature of browsers and javascript. It's not terribly fast.

Thanks I believe Afforess. I tried again just to check and it froze Google Chrome.

[Shadow Afforess]

That *is* rather large. I can definitely imagine that causing a second or two of lag. Simply the nature of browsers and javascript. It's not terribly fast.

Thanks I believe Afforess. I tried again just to check and it froze Google Chrome.

The puppet list can't even display that many nations (unless you have an ungodly huge horizontal monitor the likes of which I can not even comprehend). I suggest limiting it to 100 at a time.

I do plan on adding a proper puppet management page where you can have multiple lists and switch which list is "active" in the puppet dropdown, as well as cycling logins for them, etc.

[Port blood]

2005 nations.

Can we take a moment here and wonder why the hell anyone needs so many puppets and compliment the dedication that went into it

Also,inb4 Parhe is everyone conspiracy

[The Dourian Embassy]

Whether or not you wanted the WA badge is irrelevant. It's a red herring used to distract voters who are not intelligent enough to see past manipulation. The Condemnation Badge is intended to highlight nations who have committed atrocities worth noting. Whether or not you are proud of them is irrelevant. Hitler was proud of the Holocaust. That does not mean we should not condemn him for it. Likewise with you.

Hehe. Comparing me to Hitler. This is a long thread but has Godwin's law been invoked in it yet? Or do I win?

[El Fiji Grande]

I do plan on adding a proper puppet management page where you can have multiple lists and switch which list is "active" in the puppet dropdown, as well as cycling logins for them, etc.

That's just what I need! (I also have over 100 on my list)

[The Blaatschapen]

Is it just me or are comparisons to Hitler in a thread in Technical about a browser plug-in just massively off-topic?

Knock it off.

[Ballotonia]

Would there be a way to make the graphs on pages like "trend" be zoomable, with dates and times for when each rating was recorded?

I think this would be possible. There seems to be 1 data point for each day. I would need violet to confirm this fact. If this is the case, the graph could be re-rendered for various timeslices and show dates.

Points on the trend line are one point per RECORDED day, except for the last one (which is either one day or half a day). This is not the same as one point per calendar day: if a nation CTEs, and is later resurrected, the trend line just keeps going as if nothing had happened in between. Same problem if a nation moves (or is moved through ejection) and happens to skip an update as a result of that. The graph doesn't keep track of the actual time, which hence isn't listed on the X-axis beyond the mere word "time". So, if you were to calculate backwards using one data point per calendar day it's quite possible you'd get the dates wrong for a bunch of nations.

Ballotonia

[Shadow Afforess]

I think this would be possible. There seems to be 1 data point for each day. I would need violet to confirm this fact. If this is the case, the graph could be re-rendered for various timeslices and show dates.

Points on the trend line are one point per RECORDED day, except for the last one (which is either one day or half a day). This is not the same as one point per calendar day: if a nation CTEs, and is later resurrected, the trend line just keeps going as if nothing had happened in between. Same problem if a nation moves (or is moved through ejection) and happens to skip an update as a result of that. The graph doesn't keep track of the actual time, which hence isn't listed on the X-axis beyond the mere word "time". So, if you were to calculate backwards using one data point per calendar day it's quite possible you'd get the dates wrong for a bunch of nations.

Ballotonia

Thanks. I compared the data points for several nations and that is what it seemed like to me too.

Assuming I have:

1.) Dates of CTEs/Resurrections
2.) Points of Data from Chart

It should be straightforward to calculate the right dates. Of course, I don't have all the dates of CTEs/Resurrections. But I could figure it out from the daily dumps....

Last question Ballotonia, do you know when those data points were started being recorded, exactly? I mean NS didn't track that for all of time, I assume? You added the feature at some point in the past.

[Ballotonia]

Best I know is the information posted here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=news/ ... index.html

If you need an example of a nation which has been alive continuously since before this feature started, and which has never skipped an update either: Ballotonia

Ballotonia

[Shadow Afforess]

Best I know is the information posted here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=news/ ... index.html

If you need an example of a nation which has been alive continuously since before this feature started, and which has never skipped an update either: Ballotonia

Ballotonia

Thanks Ballotonia. Helpful as always!

[The Blaatschapen]

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A bug.