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Ulcer
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Postby Ulcer » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:01 pm

Hmm...

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:35 pm

Mousebumples wrote:
In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:maybe they could email the person (if they set up for that) if someone wants their nation name?

Do you still use the same email you were using 10 years ago?


Actually, I do
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Indian Empire
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:28 pm

My idea would that a nation name will be reserved if:

1: Has written a Issue
2: Was either Commended or Condemned b the World Assembly
3: Is the founder of a current region.
4: Has been a former WA delegate.
5: Was used by some admin of Nationstates (Forum Admin, Senior Game Mod, Game Mod, Forum Mod, Issues Editor, etc.)
6: Is the author of a WA resolution.

Otherwise, there should be no population threshold as this makes no sense to have here.
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:57 pm

Indian Empire wrote:My idea would that a nation name will be reserved if:

1: Has written a Issue
2: Was either Commended or Condemned b the World Assembly
3: Is the founder of a current region.
4: Has been a former WA delegate.
5: Was used by some admin of Nationstates (Forum Admin, Senior Game Mod, Game Mod, Forum Mod, Issues Editor, etc.)
6: Is the author of a WA resolution.

Otherwise, there should be no population threshold as this makes no sense to have here.

It makes sense if you don't want to cause a great deal of confusion and piss people off. Under your guidelines Divair, who CTE'd about a month ago, could be reused despite having 60,000+ forum posts and a population of over 10 billion. It could turn CTEing into a sniping fest for well known names.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The higher you bump up the population limit, the more likely it is that you are going to run into a former nation people knew.

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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:46 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:My idea would that a nation name will be reserved if:

1: Has written a Issue
2: Was either Commended or Condemned b the World Assembly
3: Is the founder of a current region.
4: Has been a former WA delegate.
5: Was used by some admin of Nationstates (Forum Admin, Senior Game Mod, Game Mod, Forum Mod, Issues Editor, etc.)
6: Is the author of a WA resolution.

Otherwise, there should be no population threshold as this makes no sense to have here.

It makes sense if you don't want to cause a great deal of confusion and piss people off. Under your guidelines Divair, who CTE'd about a month ago, could be reused despite having 60,000+ forum posts and a population of over 10 billion. It could turn CTEing into a sniping fest for well known names.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The higher you bump up the population limit, the more likely it is that you are going to run into a former nation people knew.


Actually, Divair is the founder of a current region, so his name would not be re-used. Did you forget? I think these rules for name-releases are enough to keep big names locked up and other nations available at the same time. Names Such as all three Unibots, The-Cid, Grub, Cerb, Stujenske, and Milograd could all remain locked up while other names that are less popular (such as mine) would still remain without any limits to when, because I do not meet any requirements of the release rules I proposed. So, if I CTE, it's fair game (under these rules)
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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:52 pm

Indian Empire wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:It makes sense if you don't want to cause a great deal of confusion and piss people off. Under your guidelines Divair, who CTE'd about a month ago, could be reused despite having 60,000+ forum posts and a population of over 10 billion. It could turn CTEing into a sniping fest for well known names.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The higher you bump up the population limit, the more likely it is that you are going to run into a former nation people knew.


Actually, Divair is the founder of a current region, so his name would not be re-used. Did you forget?

While that's true, that doesn't really matter. The vast majority of nations on NS don't engage in gameplay. People like me, and the vast majority of RPers, give very little shits about the WA. Same with most Generalites.

Nations that have forum posts should not be reused.

People could immediately grab a nation upon them CTEing, preventing them from being able to return, causing unnecessary confusion and complications, and abusing the system to grief others.

His main point was that Divair is a historically prominent user with over 60k posts. He just coincidentally happened to fall under your rules. Many others like him wouldn't.
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Postby Page » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:55 pm

The only change I think this needs is that if someone was banned back in 2004 or whatever the name shouldn't be forbidden forever.
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:59 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:
Actually, Divair is the founder of a current region, so his name would not be re-used. Did you forget?

While that's true, that doesn't really matter. The vast majority of nations on NS don't engage in gameplay. People like me, and the vast majority of RPers, give very little shits about the WA. Same with most Generalites.

Nations that have forum posts should not be reused.

People could immediately grab a nation upon them CTEing, preventing them from being able to return, causing unnecessary confusion and complications, and abusing the system to grief others.


A nation having forum posts being reserved I think would only encourage spam. Under your guidelines, If I made a nation named Blahblah, and then I came to the forums and posted this

Blahblah wrote:
n


Boom, Blahblah can no longer be used.

I would just see it as encouraging spam, and I would work as a system to where players whatever they want to be locked up- well- locked up.
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:59 pm

Indian Empire wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:It makes sense if you don't want to cause a great deal of confusion and piss people off. Under your guidelines Divair, who CTE'd about a month ago, could be reused despite having 60,000+ forum posts and a population of over 10 billion. It could turn CTEing into a sniping fest for well known names.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The higher you bump up the population limit, the more likely it is that you are going to run into a former nation people knew.


Actually, Divair is the founder of a current region, so his name would not be re-used. Did you forget? I think these rules for name-releases are enough to keep big names locked up and other nations available at the same time. Names Such as all three Unibots, The-Cid, Grub, Cerb, Stujenske, and Milograd could all remain locked up while other names that are less popular (such as mine) would still remain without any limits to when, because I do not meet any requirements of the release rules I proposed. So, if I CTE, it's fair game (under these rules)

You are latching on to an irrelevant tidbit and missing the bigger point. I grabbed the first CTE poster with a high post count. The point is it is entirely possible to be noteworthy in your own right and not hit one of your six exceptions.

You could refound Francos Spain under your guidelines. If you can refound one of the most infamous nations in the history of the game, your guidelines are too loose.

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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:02 pm

Indian Empire wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:While that's true, that doesn't really matter. The vast majority of nations on NS don't engage in gameplay. People like me, and the vast majority of RPers, give very little shits about the WA. Same with most Generalites.

Nations that have forum posts should not be reused.

People could immediately grab a nation upon them CTEing, preventing them from being able to return, causing unnecessary confusion and complications, and abusing the system to grief others.


A nation having forum posts being reserved I think would only encourage spam. Under your guidelines, If I made a nation named Blahblah, and then I came to the forums and posted this

Blahblah wrote:
n


Boom, Blahblah can no longer be used.

I would just see it as encouraging spam, and I would work as a system to where players whatever they want to be locked up- well- locked up.

What's wrong with locking up the names of nations you have? Why do you need the names of posters? There certainly isn't any shortage of nation names on the game.

What do you suggest we do then, in regards to nation that have posted a significant amount?
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:05 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:
Actually, Divair is the founder of a current region, so his name would not be re-used. Did you forget? I think these rules for name-releases are enough to keep big names locked up and other nations available at the same time. Names Such as all three Unibots, The-Cid, Grub, Cerb, Stujenske, and Milograd could all remain locked up while other names that are less popular (such as mine) would still remain without any limits to when, because I do not meet any requirements of the release rules I proposed. So, if I CTE, it's fair game (under these rules)

You are latching on to an irrelevant tidbit and missing the bigger point. I grabbed the first CTE poster with a high post count. The point is it is entirely possible to be noteworthy in your own right and not hit one of your six exceptions.

You could refound Francos Spain under your guidelines. If you can refound one of the most infamous nations in the history of the game, your guidelines are too loose.


Francos Spain was a delegate in one of the pacific regions in 2004. That name would be reserved too.
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Luna Amore
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:07 pm

Indian Empire wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:You are latching on to an irrelevant tidbit and missing the bigger point. I grabbed the first CTE poster with a high post count. The point is it is entirely possible to be noteworthy in your own right and not hit one of your six exceptions.

You could refound Francos Spain under your guidelines. If you can refound one of the most infamous nations in the history of the game, your guidelines are too loose.


Francos Spain was a delegate in one of the pacific regions in 2004. That name would be reserved too.

Yes he was, but the game doesn't remember because it happened too long ago. The most recent history item for the Pacific is: 5 years 336 days ago: The Bunny Emperor of Krulltopia elected WA Delegate.
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Indian Empire
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:08 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:
A nation having forum posts being reserved I think would only encourage spam. Under your guidelines, If I made a nation named Blahblah, and then I came to the forums and posted this



Boom, Blahblah can no longer be used.

I would just see it as encouraging spam, and I would work as a system to where players whatever they want to be locked up- well- locked up.

What's wrong with locking up the names of nations you have? Why do you need the names of posters? There certainly isn't any shortage of nation names on the game.

What do you suggest we do then, in regards to nation that have posted a significant amount?


Nothing. That encourages spam. The mods would be way to busy and this game would land in chaos due to a lack of active mods.
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:09 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:
Francos Spain was a delegate in one of the pacific regions in 2004. That name would be reserved too.

Yes he was, but the game doesn't remember because it happened too long ago. The most recent history item for the Pacific is: 5 years 336 days ago: The Bunny Emperor of Krulltopia elected WA Delegate.


If the game does not know, than how would it know that it was ever a nation?
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Postby Page » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:11 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:
Actually, Divair is the founder of a current region, so his name would not be re-used. Did you forget?

While that's true, that doesn't really matter. The vast majority of nations on NS don't engage in gameplay. People like me, and the vast majority of RPers, give very little shits about the WA. Same with most Generalites.

Nations that have forum posts should not be reused.

People could immediately grab a nation upon them CTEing, preventing them from being able to return, causing unnecessary confusion and complications, and abusing the system to grief others.

His main point was that Divair is a historically prominent user with over 60k posts. He just coincidentally happened to fall under your rules. Many others like him wouldn't.


OH MY GOD. I could go away and Page will come back as some dreadful MRA.
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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:12 pm

Indian Empire wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:What's wrong with locking up the names of nations you have? Why do you need the names of posters? There certainly isn't any shortage of nation names on the game.

What do you suggest we do then, in regards to nation that have posted a significant amount?


Nothing. That encourages spam. The mods would be way to busy and this game would land in chaos due to a lack of active mods.

Yeah, no.

Loads of people aren't going to attempt to spam the forums with the posts of new nations.
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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:15 pm

Page wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:While that's true, that doesn't really matter. The vast majority of nations on NS don't engage in gameplay. People like me, and the vast majority of RPers, give very little shits about the WA. Same with most Generalites.

Nations that have forum posts should not be reused.

People could immediately grab a nation upon them CTEing, preventing them from being able to return, causing unnecessary confusion and complications, and abusing the system to grief others.

His main point was that Divair is a historically prominent user with over 60k posts. He just coincidentally happened to fall under your rules. Many others like him wouldn't.


OH MY GOD. I could go away and Page will come back as some dreadful MRA.

oshit

arumdaum might cte and come back to advocate completely ignoring people's post histories
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:16 pm

Well, that would not be entirely true, because someone might not go after a less desirable name like Page, or Armadaum.
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:19 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:
Nothing. That encourages spam. The mods would be way to busy and this game would land in chaos due to a lack of active mods.

Yeah, no.

Loads of people aren't going to attempt to spam the forums with the posts of new nations.

It is more likely than you may think. We have seen idiots dumb enough to do that in this game.
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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:19 pm

Indian Empire wrote:Well, that would not be entirely true, because someone might not go after a less desirable name like Page, or Armadaum.

*Arumdaum

Arumdaum is a hella sexy name with a deep history.

Let's not forget about people grabbing nations just because the poster behind a nation was influential while still on NS (not to mention how people could prevent people from coming back after having CTEd only a minute ago if it's someone they're not friendly with). Nonetheless, I don't really understand why you're so adamant about being able to grab as many nation names as possible, despite all the trouble that would cause, and the near-infinite amount of nation names possible.
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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:21 pm

Indian Empire wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Yeah, no.

Loads of people aren't going to attempt to spam the forums with the posts of new nations.

It is more likely than you may think. We have seen idiots dumb enough to do that in this game.

And where are those spammers now?

It'd be against people's interests to just spam with their puppets, as there would be the possibility of the permanent deletion of all their nations.
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:23 pm

Indian Empire wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Yes he was, but the game doesn't remember because it happened too long ago. The most recent history item for the Pacific is: 5 years 336 days ago: The Bunny Emperor of Krulltopia elected WA Delegate.


If the game does not know, than how would it know that it was ever a nation?

I don't know what to do at this point. It's like talking to Jaden Smith.

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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:23 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:
If the game does not know, than how would it know that it was ever a nation?

I don't know what to do at this point. It's like talking to Jaden Smith.

I don't know, man. At least Jaden Smith is entertaining.
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:24 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Indian Empire wrote:It is more likely than you may think. We have seen idiots dumb enough to do that in this game.

And where are those spammers now?

It'd be against people's interests to just spam with their puppets, as there would be the possibility of the permanent deletion of all their nations.

And... the mods would be way to busy deating, they wouldn't have time for "Oh, Blahblahistan called me a n00b. Do something! "

And, Luna, if you think my requirements are too light, what would you add to them?
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Postby Indian Empire » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:27 pm

In Techese, I'm looking for opinions, so what else do you suggest?
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