World Assembly Suggestion - "Abstain"

[Frisbeeteria]

Would it be possible to add an Abstain button, so I don't keep checking thinking I forgot to vote, due to the notification?

[Oliver the Mediocre]

If implementable, I'd love to see how many are abstaining, actually. Poli-sci nerd in me speaks.

[Itinerate Tree Dweller]

Isn't not voting the same as abstaining? The WA page clearly shows the number of WA members, subtract the number of aye and nay votes and you get how many are abstaining.

[Sedgistan]

I'd be against, simply because it'd lower turnout. There's nothing wrong with the WA nagging its members to vote with a constant (1) there to remind them.

[Itinerate Tree Dweller]

I'd be against, simply because it'd lower turnout. There's nothing wrong with the WA nagging its members to vote with a constant (1) there to remind them.

Precisely, the WA is not like issues which you can just dismiss, if you are a member of the WA you are bound by their resolution votes whether you vote yes, no or simply don't vote at all.

[Pecthonibis]

I'd be against, simply because it'd lower turnout. There's nothing wrong with the WA nagging its members to vote with a constant (1) there to remind them.

Are region is neutral in Raider/Defender game, however I feel like I'm the only one that truly pays attention to it as I choose not to vote on Liberations of regions, or commending or condemning of raider/defender regions. That is why I would like an Abstain option.

[Itinerate Tree Dweller]

I'd be against, simply because it'd lower turnout. There's nothing wrong with the WA nagging its members to vote with a constant (1) there to remind them.

Are region is neutral in Raider/Defender game, however I feel like I'm the only one that truly pays attention to it as I choose not to vote on Liberations of regions, or commending or condemning of raider/defender regions. That is why I would like an Abstain option.

Then don't vote.

[Socklund]

Or switch back to "Antiquity." The notifier is only displayed in the default and in Century (wide RMB).

[Mousebumples]

*raises hand* I would also appreciate an "Abstain" button. I don't abstain all that often, but having that option would be nice.

[Syvorji]

I believe Violet will not have time to implement the code, so naturally, I do not support the idea, since the answer is very obvious and is screaming "No way, josé!" Next question?

[Mousebumples]

I believe Violet will not have time to implement the code, so naturally, I do not support the idea, since the answer is very obvious and is screaming "No way, josé!" Next question?

I'm afraid that you're incorrect.

Abstain is certainly possible, but I'd like to know that a reasonable number of players would actually use it.

(It's from a previous discussion on the topic, shortly after the vote notifications were introduced.)

With that in mind, would you care to change your "vote" ?

[Unibot II]

I'd be against, simply because it'd lower turnout. There's nothing wrong with the WA nagging its members to vote with a constant (1) there to remind them.

Um.. that's bad logic. The WA Notifier would still exist, it was just nag you to abstain, not constantly nag you even if you do not want to vote. With an abstain button, it would actually encourage voter turn-out, because if you don't want to vote on certain resolutions you've probably become accustomed to ignoring the WA Notifier although.

[St George of England]

Errr, there's a withdraw vote button after you vote either aye or nay anyway, so why is an abstain button needed?

[Mousebumples]

Errr, there's a withdraw vote button after you vote either aye or nay anyway, so why is an abstain button needed?

Some of us (*waves hand*) would like to make it clear to others (in our region, in the WA forums, etc.) that we have not neglected to votes on the proposal in question - we just elect to abstain from the matter at hand.

As a WA Delegate, I'd find it useful, personally.

[Knootoss]

I'd like this too, actually. It could even be an experiment? I mean, nothing would prevent [Violet] from removing the option to abstain if people didn't use it right?

[St George of England]

Errr, there's a withdraw vote button after you vote either aye or nay anyway, so why is an abstain button needed?

Some of us (*waves hand*) would like to make it clear to others (in our region, in the WA forums, etc.) that we have not neglected to votes on the proposal in question - we just elect to abstain from the matter at hand.

As a WA Delegate, I'd find it useful, personally.

Because stating, on the forums, and on your rmb, 'I have abstained', is hard work, amirite?

[Motuka]

What do we do if more people abstain than vote yes or no? <.<

[Ballotonia]

What do we do if more people abstain than vote yes or no? <.<

As I see it, all Abstain votes would simply be ignored. The tally of yes vs. no votes would decide whether the resolution at vote passes. The point of the Abstain is to allow people to 'turn off' the annoying "(1)" reminder which is pointless if one has already decided to purposely not cast a vote, and to enter a "voted Abstain" in their National Happenings.

Ballotonia

[Station Man]

What do we do if more people abstain than vote yes or no? <.<

As I see it, all Abstain votes would simply be ignored. The tally of yes vs. no votes would decide whether the resolution at vote passes. The point of the Abstain is to allow people to 'turn off' the annoying "(1)" reminder which is pointless if one has already decided to purposely not cast a vote, and to enter a "voted Abstain" in their National Happenings.

Ballotonia

Abstain is a powerful tool as is yes and no. There have been some poor or badly written Propasals. Abstain would indicate that as the proposal stands I can vote Neither yes or no.

[Sedgistan]

Um.. that's bad logic. The WA Notifier would still exist, it was just nag you to abstain, not constantly nag you even if you do not want to vote. With an abstain button, it would actually encourage voter turn-out, because if you don't want to vote on certain resolutions you've probably become accustomed to ignoring the WA Notifier although.

I don't think so. It would encourage abstentions, yes, but I don't consider that turn-out - I'm interested in people voting For/Against, since those are the votes that count. I'm sure there are plenty of people around who do vote, but whose primary motivation when voting is to get rid of the notifier, who would instead vote 'abstain' if they were given the option. It might make them a little happier, but I'd rather see them actually formulating an opinion on a proposal and voting For/Against. After all, if you're a WA member, you're supposed to care about the legislation it passes. Of course, there are some people who genuinely are interested in the WA, yet occasionally want to abstain - but I think they're relatively small compared to the number of people whose main reason for voting now is to get rid of the notifier, and whose vote would be 'lost' be introducing an abstain option.

You could argue that you don't want those people to be deciding the outcome of proposals, but I'd rather have someone pay 10 seconds attention to a proposal than none at all.

[Ballotonia]

I'd rather see them actually formulating an opinion on a proposal and voting For/Against.

More likely the non-interested folks will vote along with the majority opinion. Or simply always vote yay or nay. One cannot force people to be interested and cast an informed vote.

Ballotonia

[Euroslavia]

Some of us (*waves hand*) would like to make it clear to others (in our region, in the WA forums, etc.) that we have not neglected to votes on the proposal in question - we just elect to abstain from the matter at hand.

As a WA Delegate, I'd find it useful, personally.

Because stating, on the forums, and on your rmb, 'I have abstained', is hard work, amirite?

Considering not all active WA members read the forums...

[[violet]]

Yes, I think it's a good idea. Will probably take me a while, though, because that's some annoyingly tangled code, and I'm concentrating on high-return stuff at the moment.

[St George of England]

Because stating, on the forums, and on your rmb, 'I have abstained', is hard work, amirite?

Considering not all active WA members read the forums...

Hence the second part of that sentence.

[Nullarni]

Some of us (*waves hand*) would like to make it clear to others (in our region, in the WA forums, etc.) that we have not neglected to votes on the proposal in question - we just elect to abstain from the matter at hand.

As a WA Delegate, I'd find it useful, personally.

I am in complete agreement with this.

I would find this particularly useful in SC resolutions. I generally don't know the nation or region, so I can't really make much of an informed opinion... so I just vote "no". I honestly would rather have the option to abstain.