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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:36 pm
by Nasall
Gyrenaica wrote:Yes if it didn't fuck NS Up so much!

indeed

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:40 pm
by The Silver Bloods
This shouldve had a poll. But yes and no, too much lag but lots of fun.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:41 pm
by PrussianEmpire
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:41 pm
by Talanzaar
Reploid Productions wrote:Sorry, this isn't a simple cosmetic joke like the Liberal/Conservative themes that were eventually added to the theme selector; this is a short-term gag, and part of the point is that it's only around briefly. It won't be introduced as a regular game feature.


:clap:

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:45 pm
by Swith Witherward
The Silver Bloods wrote:This shouldve had a poll. But yes and no, too much lag but lots of fun.

It had a poll but it was removed. (See the edit notes at the bottom of the OP.)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:48 pm
by Todd McCloud
Reploid Productions wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
IMHO, NationStates should have a "Minigame" section where players can toggle on & off the views for the 3 past NS minigames (Challenge, Zombies, Bytecoin) and play them even after the day of the public event. Each game could reset once a month, and have leaderboards.

There is no reason the games couldn't run all the time, but let people determine whether to show & use them. :)

Edit: Heck Max could make people pay to "subscribe" to the minigames each month and earn extra $ if he wants. ;)

Except as evidenced by the current lag, running one beats the hell out of the server, nevermind all of them, even as optional/paid features. :P

Rep, would slowing down the event, like having it update every 10 minutes or so, kill the server less? Just curious.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:49 pm
by The Silver Bloods
Swith Witherward wrote:
The Silver Bloods wrote:This shouldve had a poll. But yes and no, too much lag but lots of fun.

It had a poll but it was removed. (See the edit notes at the bottom of the OP.)

Oh I missed that, thank you for pointing that out. ;)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:52 pm
by Totally Not Leningrad Union
PrussianEmpire wrote:(Image)

The day that NSG stops bitching will be after the day that hell freezes over.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:56 pm
by Such Activities
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
PrussianEmpire wrote:(Image)

The day that NSG stops bitching will be after the day that hell freezes over.

Pretty much :/

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:56 pm
by Shadow Afforess
Reploid Productions wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
IMHO, NationStates should have a "Minigame" section where players can toggle on & off the views for the 3 past NS minigames (Challenge, Zombies, Bytecoin) and play them even after the day of the public event. Each game could reset once a month, and have leaderboards.

There is no reason the games couldn't run all the time, but let people determine whether to show & use them. :)

Edit: Heck Max could make people pay to "subscribe" to the minigames each month and earn extra $ if he wants. ;)

Except as evidenced by the current lag, running one beats the hell out of the server, nevermind all of them, even as optional/paid features. :P


Sure, because it is a once a year event, so everyone gets on NS to play it. If it ran year round, it would be less exclusive, and so the mad rush to be on NationStates would be much less.

If there is additional overhead, than that is good! NationStates is supposed to be a game, a game people PLAY! It is GOOD to have MORE players. I am disheartened to see the staff here advocating exclusivity and a reduced playerbase. I heavily doubt that was/is Max's vision.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:59 pm
by Fascist Russian Empire
Fucking hell no. I do not want permanent forum crashes and lag.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:02 pm
by Shadow Afforess
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Fucking hell no. I do not want permanent forum crashes and lag.


Please take the two minutes it takes to read the thread before replying with an inane, unoriginal, and wrong opinion. Image

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Desmendura wrote:No. I'm getting lots of lag cause of it and I can't log in to any of my puppets.


I'm rather annoyed at all the posters here who think that keeping ByteCoin (and other NS related games) as an option would mean the site gets tons of traffic every day. That is absurd idea, bordering on downright idiotic. Most of the people would stop caring and the people who still want to play would keep playing. The hype would die down, like it inevitably does with any new thing.

Even if I am wrong, the ByteCoin stayed popular, and NS got tons more traffic every day, that is still a good thing. Max would make that much more from ads and the store, could invest in better/more servers for NS, and everyone would be happy.

I would however support a petition that forced technical forum posters to pass basic competencies on spelling, grammar, the internet, and technology. :palm:

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:04 pm
by Totally Not Leningrad Union
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Fucking hell no. I do not want permanent forum crashes and lag.

God dammit will this logic not be used anymore?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:13 pm
by The BranRiech
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Fucking hell no. I do not want permanent forum crashes and lag.

God dammit will this logic not be used anymore?

Will you stop using your logic of "They're totally willing to drop an asston of money to accommodate an honestly crappy feature."

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:14 pm
by Fascist Russian Empire
Shadow Afforess wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Fucking hell no. I do not want permanent forum crashes and lag.


Please take the two minutes it takes to read the thread before replying with an inane, unoriginal, and wrong opinion. Image

Shadow Afforess wrote:
I'm rather annoyed at all the posters here who think that keeping ByteCoin (and other NS related games) as an option would mean the site gets tons of traffic every day. That is absurd idea, bordering on downright idiotic. Most of the people would stop caring and the people who still want to play would keep playing. The hype would die down, like it inevitably does with any new thing.

Even if I am wrong, the ByteCoin stayed popular, and NS got tons more traffic every day, that is still a good thing. Max would make that much more from ads and the store, could invest in better/more servers for NS, and everyone would be happy.

I would however support a petition that forced technical forum posters to pass basic competencies on spelling, grammar, the internet, and technology. :palm:

Except for the fact that my opinion ain't a wrong one. Violet confirmed that the random logouts were because of the gameside traffic, meaning that if people continued giving fucks about the Bytecoin crap, the problem would continue. Sure, a lot of people would most likely stop caring, but those who come here for the gameside part of NS and not the forums would probably continue with the whole Bytecoin crap and continue to cause gameside traffic to be high.
[violet] wrote:Yes, apologies to everyone having troubles. The forum needs to contact gameside to verify logins, and gameside is getting smashed by high traffic.

I'm doing the best I can, but things will probably continue to be slow & fragile for a little while.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:14 pm
by Totally Not Leningrad Union
The BranRiech wrote:
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:God dammit will this logic not be used anymore?

Will you stop using your logic of "They're totally willing to drop an asston of money to accommodate an honestly crappy feature."

Not my logic. But it would be implemented differently if added.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:27 pm
by Shadow Afforess
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Except for the fact that my opinion ain't a wrong one. Violet confirmed that the random logouts were because of the gameside traffic, meaning that if people continued giving fucks about the Bytecoin crap, the problem would continue. Sure, a lot of people would most likely stop caring, but those who come here for the gameside part of NS and not the forums would probably continue with the whole Bytecoin crap and continue to cause gameside traffic to be high.
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Traffic is high because the event was EXCLUSIVE to one day a year. If it was not exclusive, traffic would not be as high. This is simple marketing.

QED. Your opinion is 100% false.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:31 pm
by Fascist Russian Empire
Shadow Afforess wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Except for the fact that my opinion ain't a wrong one. Violet confirmed that the random logouts were because of the gameside traffic, meaning that if people continued giving fucks about the Bytecoin crap, the problem would continue. Sure, a lot of people would most likely stop caring, but those who come here for the gameside part of NS and not the forums would probably continue with the whole Bytecoin crap and continue to cause gameside traffic to be high.
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Traffic is high because the event was EXCLUSIVE to one day a year. If it was not exclusive, traffic would not be as high. This is simple marketing.

QED. Your opinion is 100% false.

Would not be as high. It would obviously go down, but the gameside traffic would still be higher if there's much more to do in the gameside part of NS. Even if it ain't as high, it would still be higher than it normally would, which could and most likely would continue causing server issues.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:42 pm
by Shadow Afforess
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:.

Traffic is high because the event was EXCLUSIVE to one day a year. If it was not exclusive, traffic would not be as high. This is simple marketing.

QED. Your opinion is 100% false.

Would not be as high. It would obviously go down, but the gameside traffic would still be higher if there's much more to do in the gameside part of NS. Even if it ain't as high, it would still be higher than it normally would, which could and most likely would continue causing server issues.


I highly doubt it. Even if this is so, Max could simply improve the servers he uses. The extra visitors would provide additional advertising revenue.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:44 pm
by Fascist Russian Empire
Shadow Afforess wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Would not be as high. It would obviously go down, but the gameside traffic would still be higher if there's much more to do in the gameside part of NS. Even if it ain't as high, it would still be higher than it normally would, which could and most likely would continue causing server issues.


I highly doubt it. Even if this is so, Max could simply improve the servers he uses. The extra visitors would provide additional advertising revenue.

Even so, upgrading servers costs money that Max might not have. A few extra bucks a month from ad revenue would help and all, but it could still be weeks or even months before he could get the money to do so, which would be a huge inconvenience for everyone.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:48 pm
by Totally Not Leningrad Union
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
I highly doubt it. Even if this is so, Max could simply improve the servers he uses. The extra visitors would provide additional advertising revenue.

Even so, upgrading servers costs money that Max might not have. A few extra bucks a month from ad revenue would help and all, but it could still be weeks or even months before he could get the money to do so, which would be a huge inconvenience for everyone.

He could switch to a better and cheaper host. He uses an expensive one ATM.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:49 pm
by Shadow Afforess
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
I highly doubt it. Even if this is so, Max could simply improve the servers he uses. The extra visitors would provide additional advertising revenue.

Even so, upgrading servers costs money that Max might not have. A few extra bucks a month from ad revenue would help and all, but it could still be weeks or even months before he could get the money to do so, which would be a huge inconvenience for everyone.


I highly doubt NationStates is a money-concern for Max. NationStates is just one of the more clever marketing ideas ever created by a book author to help increase book sales. Max makes a healthy amount from his day job, I am sure. NationStates does not need to be a profit-center for it to be a success. Every player on his site is that much more likely to buy or read his books, which is the ultimate goal here.

More players and more server demand is a net win for Max. Whatever minor server costs he pays are payed back 10x over in book sales.

Stop thinking of NationStates as a business. It's just one of his marketing departments for Max's real business.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:51 pm
by Totally Not Leningrad Union
Shadow Afforess wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Even so, upgrading servers costs money that Max might not have. A few extra bucks a month from ad revenue would help and all, but it could still be weeks or even months before he could get the money to do so, which would be a huge inconvenience for everyone.


I highly doubt NationStates is a money-concern for Max. NationStates is just one of the more clever marketing ideas ever created by a book author to help increase book sales. Max makes a healthy amount from his day job, I am sure. NationStates does not need to be a profit-center for it to be a success. Every player on his site is that much more likely to buy or read his books, which is the ultimate goal here.

More players and more server demand is a net win for Max. Whatever minor server costs he pays are payed back 10x over in book sales.

Stop thinking of NationStates as a business. It's just one of his marketing departments of Max's real business.

Indeed. But I do wonder how many NSers actually read the books.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:52 pm
by Shadow Afforess
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
I highly doubt NationStates is a money-concern for Max. NationStates is just one of the more clever marketing ideas ever created by a book author to help increase book sales. Max makes a healthy amount from his day job, I am sure. NationStates does not need to be a profit-center for it to be a success. Every player on his site is that much more likely to buy or read his books, which is the ultimate goal here.

More players and more server demand is a net win for Max. Whatever minor server costs he pays are payed back 10x over in book sales.

Stop thinking of NationStates as a business. It's just one of his marketing departments of Max's real business.

Indeed. But I do wonder how many NSers actually read the books.


Even if it is as low as 1%, then he has gained > 1 Million readers. Max is a marketing genius IMO.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:53 pm
by Oaledonia
Shadow Afforess wrote: I heavily doubt that was/is Max's vision.

Pretty sure Max's vision for this site was a little side project to support his book ;)