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Canberreia
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All the nations you've made

Postby Canberreia » Sun May 01, 2016 11:56 am

There needs to be something that allows you to see all the nations you've made, including ceased to exist ones. Like all the nations you've made associated with your current IP address. I've made tons of nations which I would love to refound, but I can't because I don't remember their names from a year ago.
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Postby Kringalia » Sun May 01, 2016 12:31 pm

(I know you are asking for a game feature, so don't think I missed your point)

You can always just keep a list of all nations you've ever founded.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun May 01, 2016 3:17 pm

Or, a list of all nations associated with a particular email address, to be emailed to that address.

Email addresses are a little more personal than IP addresses (and you're more likely to remember your old ones, if they've changed).

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Canberreia
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Postby Canberreia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:59 am

The thing is, I've never even put an email address on any of my nations until now. And I didn't keep track of all my nations via a list.
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The Imperium Empires
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Imperium Empires » Mon May 02, 2016 4:01 am

I forget as of now I only have two nations.
We are not an apolcypse themed nation anymore read my factbook. I barley follow nation states stats. We are an Empire that gives civil rights and there no problem with that. We are advanced and would like anyone who wants to be friends to telegram us.

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Postby Louisistan » Mon May 02, 2016 4:43 am

Canberreia wrote:There needs to be something that allows you to see all the nations you've made, including ceased to exist ones. Like all the nations you've made associated with your current IP address. I've made tons of nations which I would love to refound, but I can't because I don't remember their names from a year ago.

Again with the miracle of the IP address?
Your proposal is infeasible, because many ISPs worldwide use dynamic IPs, meaning that the IP-Address I use today could tomorrow be used by Hans Müller from Munich. If he also plays NationStates, you're proposal fails. ;)
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon May 02, 2016 4:58 am

This isn't hard to solve. Just list where you put your nations in a text file or something. It isn't hard.

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Postby Almonaster Nuevo » Mon May 02, 2016 5:57 am

The E-Mail address option doesn't always work either. I have several nations I'd like to revive but the E-Mail address (and in many cases the provider) has long gone.
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Postby Canberreia » Mon May 02, 2016 1:27 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:This isn't hard to solve. Just list where you put your nations in a text file or something. It isn't hard.


But, what if you didn't list your previous nations and you still want to refound them?

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Canberreia wrote:There needs to be something that allows you to see all the nations you've made, including ceased to exist ones. Like all the nations you've made associated with your current IP address. I've made tons of nations which I would love to refound, but I can't because I don't remember their names from a year ago.

Again with the miracle of the IP address?
Your proposal is infeasible, because many ISPs worldwide use dynamic IPs, meaning that the IP-Address I use today could tomorrow be used by Hans Müller from Munich. If he also plays NationStates, you're proposal fails. ;)


Dynamic IPs? What do you mean?
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Postby Severisen » Mon May 02, 2016 1:35 pm

Canberreia wrote:
Dynamic IPs? What do you mean?


Dynamic IPs change, usually when the user resets their router, or something.
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Postby Anollasia » Mon May 02, 2016 1:35 pm

Just put them in your dossier. Even if they're ex-nations, you'll still see their name.

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Postby Themiclesia » Mon May 02, 2016 1:39 pm

Canberreia wrote:There needs to be something that allows you to see all the nations you've made, including ceased to exist ones. Like all the nations you've made associated with your current IP address. I've made tons of nations which I would love to refound, but I can't because I don't remember their names from a year ago.

Your sig looks a little on the lengthy side.

I agree with this feature. Perhaps [violet] could implement a link on nations visible only to the user, or use NS++, which allows for instant login once you registered all your nations.

If you remember at least part of the name of your previous nations, you could try searching for all registered nations through the World button.
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Postby Louisistan » Mon May 02, 2016 11:47 pm

Severisen wrote:
Canberreia wrote:
Dynamic IPs? What do you mean?


Dynamic IPs change, usually when the user resets their router, or something.

Indeed. Basically, every time my router disconnects from the internet and connects again, I get a new IP address.
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Postby Canberreia » Tue May 03, 2016 7:30 am

Louisistan wrote:
Severisen wrote:
Dynamic IPs change, usually when the user resets their router, or something.

Indeed. Basically, every time my router disconnects from the internet and connects again, I get a new IP address.


The feature doesn't have to be perfect. Most people don't have their IP addresses changed on a daily basis.
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue May 03, 2016 9:29 am

Yeah, but the point here is to remember nations that you've made long enough ago to have forgotten about them. You really shouldn't need a feature like this to remind you of a nation you've made last week.

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Postby Canberreia » Tue May 03, 2016 1:09 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Yeah, but the point here is to remember nations that you've made long enough ago to have forgotten about them. You really shouldn't need a feature like this to remind you of a nation you've made last week.


That's what I said.
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue May 03, 2016 8:53 pm

Canberreia wrote:That's what I said.
No it's not.

You said even dynamic IP addresses don't usually change on a daily basis. I pointed out that doesn't help much because we're not talking about things that happened a few days ago.

The longer it's been since you made and then lost track of your nation, the more likely it is your IP address has changed at some point during that time. Since we're likely talking timespans of months or years here, it probably will have happened at least once.

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Postby Louisistan » Wed May 04, 2016 3:41 am

And that is not even my real concern.
Although it may seem unlikely at first, there is a very real possibility that the IP address I use today may be used by another player with a dynamic IP in the future.
If your Idea was to be implemented, there would be no possibility to distinguish between my nations and that other player's nation, because they'd be associated with the same IP address.
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Postby Flanderlion » Wed May 04, 2016 4:13 am

They store email addresses for CTEd nations weirdly, so it isn't searchable. That is why nations that are puppet swept don't lose their CTEd nations generally. I'd be curious as well, and this has came up a few times, but I'm not sure if the reward is worth the work for now.
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Postby [violet] » Wed May 04, 2016 5:23 am

The IP thing is certainly not doable due to privacy implications. Also, IPs change very very frequently, especially if you log in from a few different devices, and double-especially if one of those is mobile.

Email would make more sense, but faces a couple of technical obstacles. First, we'd need to verify the email address before doing anything, since otherwise you could input someone else's address and see what they own. Second, as per the post above, we don't currently have a quick way of searching 4.5 million ex-nations by email address.

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Postby Europe and Oceania » Sun May 08, 2016 10:57 am

I agree with this because too many people post with their puppet nations. Usually to further spread their agenda or to "get back" at people
whilst trying not to tarnish their own reputation because their egos are too big to do it with their main nation/main nations, by posting with their puppet nations even though people are not stupid and it is pretty easy to figure out if it's one of their puppet nations, especially
when it comes to the "revenge" puppet nations and/or the "revenge" attempts lol.
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Postby Flanderlion » Sun May 08, 2016 11:00 am

Europe and Oceania wrote:I agree with this because too many people post with their puppet nations. Usually to further spread their agenda or to "get back" at people
whilst trying not to tarnish their own reputation because their egos are probably too big, by posting with their puppet nations even though
people are not stupid and it is pretty easy to figure out if it's one of their puppet nations, especially when it comes to the
"revenge" puppet nations lol.

The OP is advocating that a player is able to see all of his own puppets, not that players are able to view other players lists of puppets (which would kill stealth GP etc. anyway, not to mention privacy issues)

Edit: You editing your quote before I posted gave me significant errors posting, including several 'This requested post does not exist' errors.
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Postby Europe and Oceania » Sun May 08, 2016 11:12 am

Flanderlion wrote:
Europe and Oceania wrote:I agree with this because too many people post with their puppet nations. Usually to further spread their agenda or to "get back" at people
whilst trying not to tarnish their own reputation because their egos are probably too big, by posting with their puppet nations even though
people are not stupid and it is pretty easy to figure out if it's one of their puppet nations, especially when it comes to the
"revenge" puppet nations lol.

The OP is advocating that a player is able to see all of his own puppets, not that players are able to view other players lists of puppets (which would kill stealth GP etc. anyway, not to mention privacy issues)

Edit: You editing your quote before I posted gave me significant errors posting, including several 'This requested post does not exist' errors.


My apologies, I had to correct a lot of stuff.

But that is what I think should happen, though. Even at the sacrifice of stealth gameplay if it means people can make a list of egomaniacs
who do this quite often, using their puppet nations solely just to get "revenge" if you will.
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Postby Flanderlion » Sun May 08, 2016 11:19 am

Europe and Oceania wrote:
Flanderlion wrote:The OP is advocating that a player is able to see all of his own puppets, not that players are able to view other players lists of puppets (which would kill stealth GP etc. anyway, not to mention privacy issues)

Edit: You editing your quote before I posted gave me significant errors posting, including several 'This requested post does not exist' errors.


My apologies, I had to correct a lot of stuff.

But that is what I think should happen, though. Even at the sacrifice of stealth gameplay if it means people can make a list of egomaniacs
who do this quite often, using their puppet nations solely just to get "revenge" if you will.

I disagree about sacrificing stealth gameplay as worth it. It'd just promote nations to use many emails for each of their nations, and increase the likelihood of nations accidentally multi-ing. I do have certain suspicions about a nation who is active in technical having an additional puppet replying to himself on occasion, but my curiosity being satisfied isn't worth having to switch and create emails for many puppets, and the risk of WA multi-ing etc. from it. Gameplay suffers plagues of those sort of puppets every so often, but generally they are fairly easy to make an educated guess on who is who.
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Postby Europe and Oceania » Sun May 08, 2016 11:28 am

Flanderlion wrote:
Europe and Oceania wrote:
My apologies, I had to correct a lot of stuff.

But that is what I think should happen, though. Even at the sacrifice of stealth gameplay if it means people can make a list of egomaniacs
who do this quite often, using their puppet nations solely just to get "revenge" if you will.

I disagree about sacrificing stealth gameplay as worth it. It'd just promote nations to use many emails for each of their nations, and increase the likelihood of nations accidentally multi-ing. I do have certain suspicions about a nation who is active in technical having an additional puppet replying to himself on occasion, but my curiosity being satisfied isn't worth having to switch and create emails for many puppets, and the risk of WA multi-ing etc. from it. Gameplay suffers plagues of those sort of puppets every so often, but generally they are fairly easy to make an educated guess on who is who.


Yeah but you can't prove who made them.

And it should show all the nations that are made from the same IP address to take care of the email problem.
So if somebody wants to do it they would have to go to a Wi-Fi hotspot like Mcdonalds or an internet cafe or go over to a
friends house to make a puppet that won't be on their list. Which would seriously discourage that type of behaviour.

Using their cell phone would be the easy loophole, though.
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