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Postby Christian Democrats » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:39 pm

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Court Contraception Controversy

Description
To combat unplanned pregnancy, Ministry of Health bureaucrats issued new contraception guidelines several months ago. In particular, Regulation @@NAMEINITIALS@@@@POPULATION_VALUE@@@@ANIMALINITIALS@@ sparked a firestorm: a mandate that employers pay for the costs of their employees' birth control. This morning, the Supreme Court stoked the flames. The justices ruled that the Ministry of Health must exempt businesses whose owners have religious objections to contraception. Angry workers have gathered to protest the decision.

Validity
Valid for every nation where the government has pro-contraception views (has picked option 68.3, 168.1, 200.1, 358.4, or 364.1); where the healthcare system has not been nationalized (see answers on issues #48, #117, #217, and #337); where Economic Freedom is moderate or low; and where religion (see option 333.3), private enterprise, and sexual intercourse are legal.

Options
[option]"This is ridiculous! I need those pills!" loudly whispers labor activist and mother of five @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@ while bottle-feeding her youngest child. "Freedom of religion is not for businesses; it's for human beings. Business owners have no right to force their beliefs down their workers' throats." She snaps at her baby, "Now, drink up! Anyway, @@LEADER@@, what I do with my body is my concern, not my boss's. I plead with you to pass a new law overturning this horrible Supreme Court decision."
[effect]several major companies are closing down as their owners refuse to follow regulations that go against their religious beliefs
[stats]economy declines, employment drops, religiousness moderately falls, health slightly increases, economic freedom decreases

[option]"Have you even read the decision?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, lead attorney for the business owners. "The Court got this case absolutely right. In an open society and in a free market, the government should not require people to sacrifice their deeply held beliefs just because they decide to start a business. Contraception violates my clients' morals, and the public ought to be tolerant and not force them to purchase it for others. Besides, workers get paychecks for a reason. Buy your own birth control if you want it so bad."
[effect]thrifty citizens reuse condoms as they try to avoid pregnancy
[stats]health declines, wealth gap increases, economic freedom increases, religiousness moderately increases

[option]@@RANDOMNAME@@, your atheist economic advisor, observes, "Some business owners think contraception is wrong; and, if we force them to provide it, they're threatening to close their doors, which would certainly be bad for the economy. On the other hand, our citizens do need access to free birth control. I have an idea. Have the government give out contraceptives directly. It will be costly to be sure. So that we don't harm the interests of industry, let's tax houses of worship to pay for the program."
[effect]the government provides its citizens free birth control at the expense of churches
[stats]taxation increases, healthcare spending increases, health slightly increases, religiousness significantly decreases

[option]Professor @@RANDOMNAME@@, president of the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Eugenics League, scorns, "Even with contraception, poor and stupid folk have far too many children: five or six kids apiece, usually illegitimate, who leech off of welfare their entire lives and drive up the education budget. I propose, for the good of the nation, that the government secretly introduce anti-fertility drugs into the water supplies of rural areas and the inner city. Finally, we can prevent the hicks and hoodlums from multiplying."
[effect]black-suited men are delivering large blue drums marked H2SiF6 to certain municipal water facilities
[stats]civil rights significantly decrease, authoritarianism significantly increases, welfare spending decreases, education spending decreases, social equality spending decreases, toxicity increases, health slightly declines, wealth gap narrows, intelligence increases, culture increases

Yesterday, I got the issue based on the Microsoft antitrust case (the Microcosm issue). It's an issue I really like. I looked around and couldn't find any other issues based on real-world court decisions, so I decided to write up a second one. Tell me what you think.



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Court Contraception Controversy

Description
In a controversial decision, the Supreme Court of @@NAME@@ has said that the computer and office supplies giant Happy Lappy Inc. is exempt from a law requiring employers to provide contraception to their employees on account of the religious beliefs of its owners. A group of angry workers has gathered outside your office to protest the ruling.

Validity
Valid for nations where religion, private enterprise, contraception, and sex are legal.

Options
[option]"This is ridiculous!" yells labor activist @@RANDOMNAME@@ through a bullhorn. "Freedom of religion is not for corporations; it's for human beings. Business owners have no right to shove their beliefs down their workers' throats. What I do with my body is my concern, not my boss's. I plead with you to pass a new law overturning this horrible decision. For the sake of our health, we must have access to free birth control."
[effect]several major companies are closing down as their owners refuse to follow regulations that go against their religious beliefs
[stats]economy declines, employment drops, religiousness falls, social conservatism falls, health slightly increases

[option]"Have you read the decision?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, Happy Lappy's lead attorney. "The Court got this case absolutely right. In an open society and in a free market, the government should not require people to sacrifice their deeply held beliefs just because they decide to start a business. Contraception violates my clients' morals, and the public ought to be tolerant of that and not force them to purchase it for others. Besides, workers get paychecks for a reason. Buy your own birth control if you want it so bad."
[effect]thrifty citizens reuse condoms as they try to avoid pregnancy
[stats]health declines, wealth gap increases, economic freedom increases, religiousness increases, social conservatism increases

[option]"I think I have a solution to this dilemma," interjects @@RANDOMNAME@@, your chief of staff. "Happy Lappy's owners think contraception is wrong; and, if we force them to provide it, they're threatening to close their doors, which would surely be bad for the economy. On the other hand, our citizens do need access to free birth control so they can limit how many children they have. What I recommend is that taxpayers fork over a bit more money so that our government can give out contraceptives directly. That way, devout business owners and their workers can both go home satisfied."
[effect]the government provides free birth control to all its citizens
[stats]taxation increases, healthcare spending increases, health slightly increases

[option]"Satisfied?!" mocks @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, one of the nation's most vocal clerics. "That 'solution' will not satisfy the Almighty. It is not our place to interfere with the natural order and prevent a sperm and ovum from uniting." He pauses to readjust his cilice. "Contraceptives have enabled all sorts of immorality in our society: fornication, prostitution, adultery. Two people should not have sex, unless they are married and trying to have children. For the sake of our souls, the government must ban birth control entirely."
[effect]religious hardliners are distraught that their nation is becoming "Sodom" after contraception was banned
[stats]health significantly declines, civil rights moderately decrease, religiousness significantly increases, social conservatism significantly increases, authoritarianism increases, obesity drops very slightly

[option]"This man must be out of his mind," scorns Professor @@RANDOMNAME@@, president of the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Eugenics League. "Even with contraception, poor and stupid people have too many children: five or six kids apiece, usually illegitimate, who leech off of welfare their entire lives and drive up the education budget. I propose, for the good of the nation, that the government secretly introduce sterilants into the water supplies of rural areas and the inner city to prevent hicks and hoodlums from reproducing."
[effect]impotence and barrenness are common among the nation's poor
[stats]civil rights significantly decrease, authoritarianism significantly increases, welfare spending decreases, education spending decreases, social equality spending decreases, toxicity increases, health slightly declines, wealth gap narrows, intelligence increases, culture increases
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:34 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:In a controversial decision, the High Court of @@NAME@@

Is there a reason not to use "Supreme Court"? Two separate issues use "Supreme Court" (#41, #60); the only one that uses "High Court" (#271) seems to be talking more about a criminal court, rather than an appeals court.
Christian Democrats wrote:Validity

Valid for nations where religion is legal.

And private enterprise?
Christian Democrats wrote:[option]"This is ridiculous!" yells labor activist @@RANDOMNAME@@ through a bullhorn. "Freedom of religion is not for corporations; it's for human beings. Business owners have no right to shove their beliefs down their workers' throats. What I do with my body is my concern, not my boss's. I plead with you to pass a new law overturning this horrible decision. For the sake our health, we must have access to free birth control."

"the sake of our health"?
Christian Democrats wrote:[effect]several major companies are closing down as their owners refuse to follow regulations that go against their religious beliefs
[stats]economy declines, employment drops, religiousness falls, social conservatism falls

I know your RL beliefs are very strongly held, but this doesn't seem a very balanced outcome. Couldn't it perhaps include an increase in health, or in civil freedoms?
Christian Democrats wrote:[effect]thrifty citizens reuse condoms as they try to avoid pregnancy

:lol:

Excellent option, anyway, but I think more evidence that it needs to be only valid for nations with legal private business.
Christian Democrats wrote:[option]"I think I have a solution to this dilemma," interjects @@RANDOMNAME@@, your chief of staff. "Happy Lappy's owners think contraception is wrong; and, if we force them to provide it, they're threatening to close their doors, which would surely be bad for the economy. On the other hand, our citizens do need access to free birth control so they can limit how many children they have. What I recommend is that taxpayers fork over a bit more money so that our government can give out contraceptives directly. That way, devout business owners and their workers can both go home satisfied."

I like this issue, but it seems too "good" (admittedly, I'm not a Catholic or a libertarian!). Maybe it could also increase Administration spending/government size/maybe even corruption? Or it could increase nudity (because everyone starts having sex all the time...)

Overall I like this issue idea. I wonder if it's worth making it less explicitly reference the recent SCOTUS decision, though, changing the company name maybe; there's no real harm in doing so, but it's always difficult to tell how well these things will hold up over time.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:32 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Is there a reason not to use "Supreme Court"? Two separate issues use "Supreme Court" (#41, #60); the only one that uses "High Court" (#271) seems to be talking more about a criminal court, rather than an appeals court.

I didn't want the issue to be too similar to the real world, but I've changed "High Court" to "Supreme Court" now since that's what's used in other issues. In addition, the court of last resort in most English-speaking countries is called the "Supreme Court."

  • Australia: High Court
  • Canada: Supreme Court
  • Ireland: Supreme Court
  • New Zealand: Supreme Court
  • United Kingdom: Supreme Court
  • United States: Supreme Court

The Dark Star Republic wrote:And private enterprise?

Added.

The Dark Star Republic wrote:"the sake of our health"?

The missing "of" has been inserted.

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Couldn't it perhaps include an increase in health, or in civil freedoms?

I've added health increases to options 1 and 3, but I'm reluctant to play around with the civil rights rating since the case pits two rights against one another: freedom of religion (a negative right) vs. the right to health (a positive right).

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:[option]"I think I have a solution to this dilemma," interjects @@RANDOMNAME@@, your chief of staff. "Happy Lappy's owners think contraception is wrong; and, if we force them to provide it, they're threatening to close their doors, which would surely be bad for the economy. On the other hand, our citizens do need access to free birth control so they can limit how many children they have. What I recommend is that taxpayers fork over a bit more money so that our government can give out contraceptives directly. That way, devout business owners and their workers can both go home satisfied."

I like this issue, but it seems too "good" (admittedly, I'm not a Catholic or a libertarian!). Maybe it could also increase Administration spending/government size/maybe even corruption? Or it could increase nudity (because everyone starts having sex all the time...)

I'll have to think about this. A tax increase is supposed to be the downside of option 3, but I might need to add another negative consequence.

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Overall I like this issue idea. I wonder if it's worth making it less explicitly reference the recent SCOTUS decision, though, changing the company name maybe; there's no real harm in doing so, but it's always difficult to tell how well these things will hold up over time.

It took me about 10 or 15 minutes to come up with the name Happy Lappy. :p

HOBBY LOBBY, a chain of arts and crafts stores becomes
HAPPY LAPPY, a chain of computer and office supplies stores.

It's not quite as clever as Microcosm, but I think it'll do.

Thank you for all the advice. I'll continue to revise this issue during the coming days. :)
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Postby The Flood » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:36 am

I would add a forth option to ban contraceptives completely, which of course would have the strongest effect on the nation's religiosity.
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:06 am

The Flood wrote:I would add a forth option to ban contraceptives completely, which of course would have the strongest effect on the nation's religiosity.

Okay, I never thought I'd ever utter these words anywhere or anytime.

I agr...rr...

I agr...rr...rr....

I agree with The Flood. It's one of those way-out-there options that would absolutely work in this context. And, love the Happy Lappy, that's cute.

This definitely has potential. Good luck!

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Wrapper wrote:
The Flood wrote:I would add a forth option to ban contraceptives completely, which of course would have the strongest effect on the nation's religiosity.

Okay, I never thought I'd ever utter these words anywhere or anytime.
I agr...rr...
I agr...rr...rr....
I agree with The Flood. It's one of those way-out-there options that would absolutely work in this context. And, love the Happy Lappy, that's cute.
This definitely has potential. Good luck!
I want the option so that my nation can pick it >:D

Because that's totally what we'd do in the Flood.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:24 pm

The Flood wrote:I would add a forth option to ban contraceptives completely, which of course would have the strongest effect on the nation's religiosity.

How does this look?

[option]"Satisfied?!" mocks @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, one of the nation's most vocal clerics. "That 'solution' will not satisfy the Almighty. It is not our place to interfere with the natural order and prevent a sperm and ovum from uniting." He pauses to readjust his cilice. "Contraceptives have encouraged all sorts of immorality in our society: fornication, prostitution, adultery. Two people should not have sex, unless they are married and trying to have children. For the sake of our souls, the government must ban birth control entirely."
[effect]religious critics are distraught that their nation is becoming "Sodom" following the ban on contraception
[stats]health significantly declines, civil rights moderately decrease, religiousness significantly increases, social conservatism significantly increases, authoritarianism increases, obesity drops very slightly

Should I add a fifth option with a population control advocate calling for compulsory sterilization?
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GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:44 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:[option]"Satisfied?!" mocks @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, one of the nation's most vocal clerics. "That 'solution' will not satisfy the Almighty. It is not our place to interfere with the natural order and prevent a sperm and ovum from uniting." He pauses to readjust his cilice. "Contraceptives have encouraged all sorts of immorality in our society: fornication, prostitution, adultery. Two people should not have sex, unless they are married and trying to have children. For the sake of our souls, the government must ban birth control entirely."
[effect]religious critics are distraught that their nation is becoming "Sodom" following the ban on contraception
[stats]health significantly declines, civil rights moderately decrease, religiousness significantly increases, social conservatism significantly increases, authoritarianism increases, obesity drops very slightly

This is a dreadful, appalling, disgusting option -- I love it! :)

Christian Democrats wrote:Should I add a fifth option with a population control advocate calling for compulsory sterilization?

Hmmm... that might make this issue a bit long, but it does make sense.

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Postby ALMF » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:58 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Yesterday, I got the issue based on the Microsoft antitrust case (the Microcosm issue). It's an issue I really like. I looked around and couldn't find any other issues based on real-world court decisions, so I decided to write up a second one. Tell me what you think.

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Court Contraception Controversy

Description

In a controversial decision, the Supreme Court of @@NAME@@ has said that the computer and office supplies giant Happy Lappy Inc. is exempt from a law requiring employers to provide contraception to their employees on account of the religious beliefs of its owners. A group of angry workers has gathered outside your office to protest the ruling.

Validity

Valid for nations where religion and private enterprise are legal.

Options

[option]"This is ridiculous!" yells labor activist @@RANDOMNAME@@ through a bullhorn. "Freedom of religion is not for corporations; it's for human beings. Business owners have no right to shove their beliefs down their workers' throats. What I do with my body is my concern, not my boss's. I plead with you to pass a new law overturning this horrible decision. For the sake of our health, we must have access to free birth control."
[effect]several major companies are closing down as their owners refuse to follow regulations that go against their religious beliefs
[stats]economy declines, employment drops, religiousness falls, social conservatism falls, health slightly increases, civil rights increases

[option]"Have you read the decision?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, Happy Lappy's lead attorney. "The Court got this case absolutely right. In an open society and in a free market, the government should not require people to sacrifice their deeply held beliefs just because they decide to start a business. Contraception violates my clients' morals, and the public ought to be tolerant of that and not force them to purchase it for others. Besides, workers get paychecks for a reason. Buy your own birth control if you want it so bad."
[effect]thrifty citizens reuse condoms as they try to avoid pregnancy
[stats]health declines, wealth gap increases, economic freedom increases , civle rights dramatically decreases , religiousness increases, social conservatism increases

[option]"I think I have a solution to this dilemma," interjects @@RANDOMNAME@@, your chief of staff. "Happy Lappy's owners think contraception is wrong; and, if we force them to provide it, they're threatening to close their doors, which would surely be bad for the economy. On the other hand, our citizens do need access to free birth control so they can limit how many children they have. What I recommend is that taxpayers fork over a bit more money so that our government can give out contraceptives directly. That way, devout business owners and their workers can both go home satisfied."
[effect]the government provides free birth control to all its citizens
[stats]taxation increases, healthcare spending increases, health slightly increases

[option]"Satisfied?!" mocks @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, one of the nation's most vocal clerics. "That 'solution' will not satisfy the Almighty. It is not our place to interfere with the natural order and prevent a sperm and ovum from uniting." He pauses to readjust his cilice. "Contraceptives have encouraged all sorts of immorality in our society: fornication, prostitution, adultery. Two people should not have sex, unless they are married and trying to have children. For the sake of our souls, the government must ban birth control entirely."
[effect]religious critics are distraught that their nation is becoming "Sodom" following the ban on contraception
[stats]health significantly declines, civil rights moderately significantly decrease, religiousness significantly increases, social conservatism significantly increases, authoritarianism increases, obesity drops very slightly

You have a copple effect errors
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:02 pm

ALMF wrote:You have a copple effect errors

Don't worry much about "effect errors". The IEs use them more as guidelines to what the author intended, rather than something that needs to be followed to the letter. It's not unusual for final effects to look absolutely nothing like what the author posted.

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ALMF wrote:You have a copple effect errors

Don't worry much about "effect errors". The IEs use them more as guidelines to what the author intended, rather than something that needs to be followed to the letter. It's not unusual for final effects to look absolutely nothing like what the author posted.

Ok, I wold just be disipointed if supporting the discrimination hert the ecomimy more than tecknicly or lowered civil rights less than banning democracy did for political freedom.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:21 pm

ALMF wrote:You have a copple effect errors

1. As I say above, "I'm reluctant to play around with the civil rights rating since the case pits two rights against one another: freedom of religion (a negative right) vs. the right to health (a positive right)." You seem to have a bias in favor of the latter.

2. If religious business owners closed their doors, there would be a negative effect on the economy.

3. In some women, oral contraceptives can cause slight weight gain. According to the website of Columbia University:

Women may experience a slight "water weight" gain shortly after starting the pill because birth control pills can alter your water metabolism. Both the estrogen and progestin in the pills can cause fluid retention, a temporary and usually cyclic effect that often begins in the first month as a result of an increase in sodium. Reducing your salt intake moderately can help control this type of water retention. The estrogen in the pill can also cause weight gain due to increased breast, hip, or thigh tissue, usually after several months on the pill. This causes swollen ankles, breast tenderness, discomfort with contact lenses, or a weight gain of up to five pounds.

Some progestin-dominant pills can cause appetite increase and permanent weight gain. Pill-related depression may also lead to increased appetite and weight gain.

http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/birth-control-pills-and-weight-gain
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GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
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#452: Foetal Furore
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Postby The Flood » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:01 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The Flood wrote:I would add a forth option to ban contraceptives completely, which of course would have the strongest effect on the nation's religiosity.

How does this look?
[option]"Satisfied?!" mocks @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, one of the nation's most vocal clerics. "That 'solution' will not satisfy the Almighty. It is not our place to interfere with the natural order and prevent a sperm and ovum from uniting." He pauses to readjust his cilice. "Contraceptives have encouraged all sorts of immorality in our society: fornication, prostitution, adultery. Two people should not have sex, unless they are married and trying to have children. For the sake of our souls, the government must ban birth control entirely."
[effect]religious critics are distraught that their nation is becoming "Sodom" following the ban on contraception
[stats]health significantly declines, civil rights moderately decrease, religiousness significantly increases, social conservatism significantly increases, authoritarianism increases, obesity drops very slightly

Should I add a fifth option with a population control advocate calling for compulsory sterilization?
Perfect, though I might have used a 'Bishop of [national religion]' as the one suggesting it perhaps. Also I'd maybe reword the sentence to say "people should not have sex, unless they are married and open to the procreative gift of life!" just rolls a little better to me

Anyway, this is a great issue and I hope to see it enter into the roster!

The 5th option would be fine, too. It would be a pretty long issue, though, but I don't mind that. I like it when they take into account all the options someone might want to choose.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:43 am

The Flood wrote:Perfect, though I might have used a 'Bishop of [national religion]' as the one suggesting it perhaps.

That would be kind of awkward, though, if the national religion accepts contraception or doesn't have bishops.

"Satisfied?!" mocks @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, bishop of Presbyterianism. :eyebrow:


The Flood wrote:Also I'd maybe reword the sentence to say "people should not have sex, unless they are married and open to the procreative gift of life!" just rolls a little better to me

That would actually make the option more moderate, which I would consider a bad thing. :p

Catholicism, for instance, says that all acts of sex must be open to the gift of life (we accept the possibility of pregnancy). Some variants of Gnosticism, on the other hand, said that all acts of sex must be for reproduction (our goal must be pregnancy every time we have sex).

The Flood wrote:Anyway, this is a great issue and I hope to see it enter into the roster!

Thank you. :)



Right now, I'm considering changing the effect of option 4:

religious critics are distraught that their nation is becoming "Sodom" following the ban on contraception.

The term "religious critics" is somewhat vague since it can have two meanings:

  1. people who engage in social criticism from the standpoint of a religion; or
  2. people who are critics of religion, usually atheists or agnostics.
Does anybody have a suggestion for a clearer term?
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Postby Golgothastan » Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:25 am

"Religious hardliners?" Or simply, "social critics"? That's a term that's less ambiguous, and religion is already implied through "Sodom".

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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:51 pm

For greater clarity, the term "religious critics" has been changed to "religious hardliners."

Thanks for the recommendation. :)
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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^ repealed resolution
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:55 pm

For now, I've added a fifth option:

[option]"This man must be out of his mind," scorns Professor @@RANDOMNAME@@, president of the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Eugenics League. "Even with contraception, poor and stupid people have too many children: five or six kids apiece, usually illegitimate, who leech off of welfare their entire lives and drive up the education budget. I propose, for the good of our nation, that the government introduce sterilants into the water supplies of rural areas and the inner city to prevent hicks and hoodlums from reproducing."
[effect]the government is delivering large blue drums marked H2SiF6 to certain municipal water facilities
[stats]civil rights significantly decrease, authoritarianism significantly increases, welfare spending decreases, education spending decreases, social equality spending decreases, toxicity increases, health slightly declines, wealth gap narrows, intelligence increases, culture increases
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Sanctaria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:58 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:For now, I've added a fifth option:

[option]"This man must be out of his mind," scorns Professor @@RANDOMNAME@@, president of the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Eugenics League. "Even with contraception, poor and stupid people have too many children: five or six kids apiece, usually illegitimate, who leech off of welfare their entire lives and drive up the education budget. I propose, for the good of our nation, that the government introduce sterilants into the water supplies of rural areas and the inner city to prevent hicks and hoodlums from reproducing."
[effect]the government is delivering large blue drums marked H2SiF6 to certain municipal water facilities
[stats]civil rights significantly decrease, authoritarianism significantly increases, welfare spending decreases, education spending decreases, social equality spending decreases, toxicity increases, health slightly declines, wealth gap narrows, intelligence increases, culture increases

I'm not quite sure what water fluoridation has got to do with steralisation.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:08 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:For now, I've added a fifth option:

[option]"This man must be out of his mind," scorns Professor @@RANDOMNAME@@, president of the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Eugenics League. "Even with contraception, poor and stupid people have too many children: five or six kids apiece, usually illegitimate, who leech off of welfare their entire lives and drive up the education budget. I propose, for the good of our nation, that the government introduce sterilants into the water supplies of rural areas and the inner city to prevent hicks and hoodlums from reproducing."
[effect]the government is delivering large blue drums marked H2SiF6 to certain municipal water facilities
[stats]civil rights significantly decrease, authoritarianism significantly increases, welfare spending decreases, education spending decreases, social equality spending decreases, toxicity increases, health slightly declines, wealth gap narrows, intelligence increases, culture increases

I'm not quite sure what water fluoridation has got to do with steralisation.

There are two ways to interpret the effect.

1. Sane interpretation: the government starts secretly mixing sterilants into fluoride.

2. Conspiracy theory: fluoride is part of a secret government plan against citizens.

The joke makes more sense if you're from the U.S. :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#Communist_conspiracy_theory_.281940s-1960s.29
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GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
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Postby Sanctaria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:10 pm

I'm Irish. Our water is fluoridated and, as the stereotype goes, we have no problem having kids.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:25 pm

Sanctaria wrote:I'm Irish. Our water is fluoridated and, as the stereotype goes, we have no problem having kids.

Yes, that's the stereotype. :p

Note that I said "large blue drums marked H2SiF6" rather than using the word "of."

As I indicate above, there's a long history of conspiracy theories surrounding fluoride in the U.S.

Image

Non-Americans won't get the joke, but the effect still makes sense: the government is secretly poisoning fluoridation additives.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
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#560: Bicameral Backlash
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Postby Sanctaria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:32 pm

I don't like in-jokes in issues that "[n]on-Americans" probably won't get.

Christian Democrats wrote:Note that I said "large blue drums marked H2SiF6" rather than using the word "of."

This isn't the General Assembly. Subtle distinctions like that won't fly in the [effect] line.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:40 pm

Sanctaria wrote:I don't like in-jokes in issues that "[n]on-Americans" probably won't get.

Is this better?

[effect]men in hazmat suits have been spotted entering and leaving municipal water facilities
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Sanctaria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:42 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:I don't like in-jokes in issues that "[n]on-Americans" probably won't get.

Is this better?

[effect]men in hazmat suits have been spotted entering and leaving municipal water facilities

It's fine, but I'd probably use something like

tap water is a cheap and popular form of contraceptive
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:49 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Is this better?

[effect]men in hazmat suits have been spotted entering and leaving municipal water facilities

It's fine, but I'd probably use something like

tap water is a cheap and popular form of contraceptive

Maybe, but I want the government's actions to be more secret and menacing.

That is, people don't know that sterilants are being dumped into their tap water.

Is there something I could change about the [option] to make this clearer?
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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