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Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism

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Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism





Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism (CAIN)

We, the undersigned governments; mindful of the impact Nazism has on the community we all share, devoted to combating scientific racism, appalled by the glorification of Nazi Germany, determined to overcome gameplay differences, and committed to making the NationStates community more accessible; do hereby establish and join the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism, herein referred to as "CAIN", and agree to recognize and adhere to this Treaty and the commitments set forth within.

1. Definitions

Nazism: The ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state, as well as other far-right groups. In the context of NationStates, it is an ideology that glorifies National Socialism or Nazi Germany and/or actively practices Nazi beliefs such as antisemitism, pseudo-scientific racism, racial hygiene, slaughter for living space, genocide, eugenics, persecution of LGBT, etc.

Nazi Region: A region recognized by CAIN as a region that practices, or has practiced, Nazism.

Nazi Collaborator: A region recognized by CAIN as a region that assists in furthering the agenda of, and/or shares core beliefs with, Nazism and/or Nazi Regions.

Signatories: The regions and organizations that sign this treaty.

On-Site Embassy: An embassy created through NationStates.

Off-Site Embassy: An embassy created on the off-site forum of a signatory region.

Inter-regional Agreement: Any Treaty, Accord, Pact, or Agreement with another region recognized by a signatory's government as legally binding.

Military Assistance: In the context of NationStates, military assistance shall be described as participation in raiding, defending, assisting in delegate transfers, or any other military action that benefits another region.

2. Membership Administration

(a) Signatories shall not maintain off-site or on-site embassies with Nazi Regions.

(b) Signatories shall not enter into inter-regional agreements with Nazi Regions.

(c) In order to be recognized as a signatory, regions must ratify this treaty in concordance with their internal laws. Once ratified, regions must send a legal representative to signify their acceptance of this treaty within the sub-forum of the Europeian off-site forum where the original treaty will be maintained for all signatories.

(d) Any signatory may nominate a region that meets the definition, as described by this Treaty, to be a Nazi Region. Such nominations must be approved by a vote of two-thirds of signatories before being officially designated as such by CAIN.

(e) Any signatory may nominate a region that aids in spreading the beliefs of Nazism to be considered a Nazi Collaborator. Such nominations must be approved by a vote of two-thirds of signatories before being officially designated as such by CAIN.

(f) Any region may be removed from the officially designated list of Nazi Regions by a vote of three-fourths of signatories.

(g) Any region which voluntarily participates in a military operation alongside, or possesses an on-site embassy with, a Nazi Region shall be officially designated as Nazi Collaborators.

(h) Any region officially designated as a Nazi Collaborator shall be subjected to the same clauses as Nazi Regions with the exception of Section 2(g).

(i) Europeia shall maintain a list of all officially designated Nazi Regions alongside the original CAIN treaty.

(j) No region designated as a Nazi Region may join CAIN as a signatory.

(k) Any signatory may be removed as a signatory by a vote of three-fourths of remaining signatories.

(l) The highest executive authority of a signatory region, or an internally selected representative, will be recognized as that signatory's voting member for the votes mentioned in this treaty.

(m) All votes mentioned in this treaty shall be announced one week in advance of the voting process, and shall last five days.

(n) In order for the voting process to take place, a simple majority of signatories must indicate their presence. Any signatory which is not present during the voting process will have their vote counted as an abstention.

(o) The votes mentioned in this treaty shall take place on the off-site forum of Europeia in a sub-forum contained next to the original treaty. This sub-forum will be restricted to legal representatives of signatories.

3. Functions

(a) Signatories shall not provide military assistance to any region officially designated as a Nazi Region.

(b) Signatories shall append a document to the treaty, which may be amended by a motion supported by a majority of signatories. Within this document will be listed a number of Standardized Responses which signatories are encouraged but not required to use in the intended circumstances.

(c) The circumstances for which a standardized response shall be listed will include, but not be limited to, the following:
(i) A Nazi Region acting militarily against a signatory,
(ii) A Nazi Region participating within a military operation of a non-Nazi Region, and
(iii) A Signatory acting militarily against a Nazi Region.

(d) Signatories commit to working together, when consistent with internal policy, to oppose Nazi Regions through military means. This commitment includes, but is not limited to:
(i) Invading Nazi holdings,
(ii) Liberating regions raided by Nazi Regions, and
(iii) Defending against raids involving Nazi Regions.

(e) Signatories commit to working together, when consistent with internal policy, to oppose Nazi Regions through Security Council means. This commitment includes, but is not limited to:
(i) Opposing commendation proposals of Nazi regions and players,
(ii) Cooperation on condemnation proposals of Nazi regions and players,
(iii) Supporting defensive liberation proposals for regions raided by Nazis, and
(iv) Supporting offensive liberation proposals against Nazi Regions.

(f) The signatories of this treaty shall maintain a thread on the Gameplay section of the NationStates forums in which standardized responses shall be posted. For the sake of transparency, the original treaty shall serve as the first post in this thread.

4. General Provisions

(a) Signatories recognize that signing this treaty does not make them allies of the other signatories.

(b) Signatories recognize that signing this treaty does not signify political, diplomatic, or gameplay agreement with their fellow signatories except on the subject of Nazism and Nazi Regions.

(c) This treaty is considered legally binding upon a signatory's completion of the requirements described in Section 2(c).

(d) Should a region wish to resign as a signatory of CAIN, they may do so by going through the process of repealing this treaty in concordance with their internal laws and disseminating a public notice of its repeal. Such notices must be released in a way that reaches a majority of signatories.

(e) Any region wishing to join as a signatory of CAIN after the initial conference on this treaty may do so by receiving sponsorship from two signatories. Sponsored regions will then be voted on by all signatories. Should they receive a simple majority of the vote, regions must complete the requirements described elsewhere in this treaty.

(f) This treaty may be amended by a vote of three-fourths of signatories. Such amendments must then be ratified by the signatories before being considered binding. Amendments will be announced in the CAIN Gameplay thread, after which signatories have two weeks to decide whether they wish to ratify the amendment or not. If no progress has been made on the ratification process after those two weeks the region will no longer be considered a signatory.

(g) Any signatory may opt-out of ratifying amendments to CAIN. After doing so, they will no longer be considered a signatory.

(h) Any signatory which misses two votes consecutively will have their signatory status suspended until such time that they request to be returned to active status. During this suspension, they will not be counted as a signatory for clauses mentioned in this treaty.


Current Signatories:

Albion
Arda en Estel
Balder
Europeia
Equilism
Firehelm
Lazarus
Osiris
Taijitu
The Communist Bloc
The East Pacific
The Internationale
The Kingdom of Great Britain
The Land of Kings and Emperors
The North Pacific
The Order of the Grey Wardens
The Red Fleet
The South Pacific
The Universal Allegiance
The West Pacific
Night Rise
United Kingdom
Valhalla
Yggdrasil




This Coalition was founded with the belief that this community has a responsibility to fight against those perpetuating discrimination. No one should be hated for the circumstances of their birth and there is no greater perpetrator of this inherent discrimination on NationStates than the proponents of Nazism. The signatories of CAIN have committed themselves to putting aside their past differences in order to stand, united, for a cause they all share.

Please keep in mind that this thread is about a gameplay matter. Discussion on the nature of Nazism and its impact on the outside world should be debated on the NationStates' General Forum.
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Postby Brunhizzle » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:58 pm

Designated Nazi Regions


Below is the Coalition's list of Designated Nazi Regions. Each region on this list has been nominated by a signatory who believed they fit the definition, as described by CAIN, of a Nazi Region. Such nominations require a two-third votes of a quorum of at least half of all signatories.

Nazi Europa
While their name alone indicates a desire to glorify Nazi Germany, Nazi Europa also possesses a history of defending regions which prescribe to the more discriminatory practices of National Socialism. CAIN's first operation, the raid against The NSIA, was one such indication of Nazi Europa's willingness to push the hateful agenda of Nazism.

There are also reports of a Nazi Europa Off-Site chat room which featured extreme racism, sexually explicit material, and other unbefitting material. While these reports came from outside CAIN's signatories and while the evidence of such is not appropriate or permitted for NationStates, they were not the determining factor of Nazi Europa's inclusion on this list.


KAISERREICH
KAISERREICH maintains that they are not a Nazi Region but are rather an Imperialist Monarchy. However, with indications of the use of Nazi Imagery in previous iterations of their off-site forums and sometimes blatant anti-Semitic tendencies from some of their leaders, this claim is called into question.

Their founder seems to have an issue with Jews, their current Reich Chancellor uses Nazi Imagery in their dispatches (I have photographic proof if this happens to get removed), and they've had Pro-Nazi leaders in the past.


National Socialist Ministries
NSM required the least amount of evidence. Their WFE proudly proclaims a push for every discriminatory practice that this Coalition is built to push against.
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Postby Brunhizzle » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:58 pm

Nazi Collaborators


The following lists are regions which posses embassies with designated Nazi Regions. While not all of these regions share the beliefs of the Nazi Regions their embassies support, they indirectly assist in furthering the agenda of the Nazi Regions in question. CAIN maintains a policy of removing genuine Embassy Collecting regions from this list. CAIN also maintains a policy of not acting against any region potentially being removed from the list of Nazi Collaborators.

Any region which removes their embassy with a Nazi Region can telegram me and begin the process for removal from this list.

KAISERREICH:
12 chairs RP
Allied Federation of Nations
ANTICOM
Arconian Empire
Aurinel
Australialia
Christain Empire
Confederation of Former Reborn States
Cyberius Confederation
Deus Vult
DonaldTrumpland
Duckland
Eastern Roman Empire
Elite Region Of Global Command
Empire of the Trident
End 500
Federation of Greater German Republics
Fifth Empire
Gaelean
Great Empire of Great Cyan
Grecia
Hapes Consortium
Holy Murica
KanzlernReich
Kiserrich
Knights of The Templar Order
Krumpelberg
Mr Money Headquarters
National Federation
Nazi Europa
Neueuropa
New Jornarisk
New United Capitalist Nations of Trump
Order of the Southern North
Pandoran Alliance
POLATION
Racoonist Confederation
Role Player Coalition
Rossferry
The Anti Comintern Pact
The Brotherhood of the Iron Cross
The Confederacy Of Kishkhat
The conservative christians
The Danube Federation
The Dirt Alliance
The Einsteins tactical group
The Eternal Imperium of the Opheliac
The Fascist Order
The Insane Region
The Iron Guard
The KAISERREICH Eternal Asylum Legion
The Kaiserreich Galactic Empire
The Kingdom Of Westminster
The Kingdom of Wurttemberg
The Luxan Empire
The Napoleonic French Empire
The Narva Alliance
The Nether
The Order of The Iron Wreath
The Reich of Bunicken
The Second European Empire
The Union Of National Socialists
The United Rogue Nations of Alteria
The Warden World
The Waterfront
Turkic Union
U R N
Union of Confederate Regions
Union of Nationalists
Union of the Free Federal Republic
Union of The Greater Nationalist Colombi
United Dictators of the Anti Matrix
United Imperial Union


National Socialist Ministries:
Coalesce
Der Weltmacht
Namekian Fascist Empire
PRC
The Fascist Union
The Free Republican States
The Holy Oligarchy of Atheist Democrats
The Illuminati Council
The Multiverse Of Your Own Reality
Zarathustra


Nazi Europa:
Confederation of Corrupt Dictators
Femdom State
KAISERREICH
The Fascist State
United Lands of Meme
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:06 pm

So, what happened with the vote on the first batch of "Nazi Regions"?
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Tinhampton wrote:So, what happened with the vote on the first batch of "Nazi Regions"?

That'll be getting announced soon. Originally, the vote was to fall on Thanksgiving as I failed to actually, you know, think about schedules. Now that I have, we've scheduled the vote to end tomorrow though I will most likely announce the results sometime today as we've met the required thresholds described in the treaty.
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Following a discussion and voting period, the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism has finished its deliberations on the first list of officially designated Nazi Regions. Evidence was collected for each of the nominated regions and presented to all voting regions at the beginning of the voting period. The vote is designated to last five days and requires half of signatories to be in attendance. After four days of voting, the Coalition has received the necessary votes to officially designate the following regions as Nazi Regions:

Nazi Europa
KAISERREICH
National Socialist Ministries


The following region was also voted on but voting signatories found insufficient evidence to designate them as a Nazi Region:

The Iron Guard


Thank you for reading. The presented evidence will be added to to the list of officially designated Nazi Regions where applicable. Please remember that this thread is not the place to debate real world happenings.
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Postby GreatNazis » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:44 pm

Congratulations all round!

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Postby Western Evilly » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:42 am

Brunhizzle wrote:The vote is designated to last five days and requires half of signatories to be in attendance.


Brunhizzle wrote:(d) Any signatory may nominate a region that meets the definition, as described by this Treaty, to be a Nazi Region. Such nominations must be approved by a vote of two-thirds of signatories before being officially designated as such by CAIN.

(e) Any signatory may nominate a region that aids in spreading the beliefs of Nazism to be considered a Nazi Collaborator. Such nominations must be approved by a vote of two-thirds of signatories before being officially designated as such by CAIN.

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Postby Consular » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:55 am

If I'm interpreting correctly, that means a vote can only be valid if half the signatories are present, and those signatories must vote to a two-thirds majority to pass something. That's not inconsistent.

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Postby LollerLand » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:30 am

Consular wrote:If I'm interpreting correctly, that means a vote can only be valid if half the signatories are present, and those signatories must vote to a two-thirds majority to pass something. That's not inconsistent.

You are right.
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Consular wrote:If I'm interpreting correctly, that means a vote can only be valid if half the signatories are present, and those signatories must vote to a two-thirds majority to pass something. That's not inconsistent.

Aye, that is correct. It's a quorum concept to ensure that CAIN can remain functional even if some of its signatories fall inactive.
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Postby Kawaii Village » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:06 am

Hello!

I would like to give a signature for both Exodus and The Kawaii Empire. ^_^
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Kawaii Village wrote:Hello!

I would like to give a signature for both Exodus and The Kawaii Empire. ^_^

Any region wishing to join as a signatory of CAIN after the initial conference on this treaty may do so by receiving sponsorship from two signatories. Sponsored regions will then be voted on by all signatories. Should they receive a simple majority of the vote, regions must complete the requirements described elsewhere in this treaty.
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Given the abrupt nature of a region being designated as a Nazi Region, and given the infrequency with which some people check the Gameplay forum, CAIN has begun sending telegrams to potential Nazi Collaborators. For the purposes of fairness, we'll be waiting one week to designate Nazi Collaborators per the definitions of this treaty. Any region that has closed embassies or is in the process of closing embassies with the Nazi Regions at the end of that time frame will not be considered a Nazi Collaborator.

Thank you for reading this release. Please remember that this thread is not the place to debate real world happenings.
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Oh, you guys! Always making me feel loved and appreciated. I do really appreciate the free campaigning.

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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:32 am

Pls stop bullying non-nazis for just having a different worldview.

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Postby The Howling Horde » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:35 pm

This list was a good idea to inform the new players where to find us.

Welcome in advance from a happy Nazi Europa nation!
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German Dragons wrote:Oh, you guys! Always making me feel loved and appreciated. I do really appreciate the free campaigning.
The Howling Horde wrote:This list was a good idea to inform the new players where to find us.

Welcome in advance from a happy Nazi Europa nation!

It seems like the admins can stop sending recruitment telegrams for a while.
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Postby Koguria » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:35 am

The Community of [nation=CAIN United] wrote: → tag: api
1 day 8 hours ago

The Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism has identified some of the regions among your embassies as Nazi Regions. You can find the full list of such regions here: List of Designated Nazi Regions

One of the primary goals of the Coalition is the diplomatic isolation of Nazi Regions. We believe that this is critical for preventing the spread of their hateful message across NationStates. For this reason, we encourage you to withdraw your embassy with the above region.

Please note that choosing not to withdraw the embassy can result in your region being labeled as a Nazi Collaborator, and being subjected to opposition from the Coalition's signatories.

If you have any questions about the above, please contact [nation=Brunhizzle].

Quote ended.

My answer: We do not have embassies with regions designed as Nazi, extreme Communist, Raider or Invader. We are not responsible for the ways or values of other regions or if they choose to become later like one of them (like in the list).
The [region=Holy Byzantine Eurasian Confederacy] is a free and independent region where all are free to choose any life path they desire and follow any morals they wish, providing that their beliefs are always for a good mankind and nature. It mean that we do not use racism or discrimination of any type.

We didn't see any nazi emblem in the [region=KAISERREICH] until now. They used mostly the Teuton Order's emblem crux which is used also by the Templar Order on red. If they are really a nazi region, even if in secrecy, then they have to say that in public. If they are innocent, then they have to call the help from the Illuminati, the Templar Order, the Teuton Order, the Malta Order, the ONU, the NATO, the freemasons, the churches and all those whom they know.

I personally I am sad that [region=Europeia] , a region which was involved sometimes in partnership with some raider and invader regions, like Hydra Command, and like [region=The Invaders] who use a Nazi Eagle, have the right of signature to decide who is good or bad.

Even if my region do not say anything or do not know anything about some military actions, I personally, Koguria, still consider Europeia a cruel region after the invasion of [region=Singapore]. [region=The Red Fleet] should notice that. Because when it was to have an embassy even with someone like The Red Fleet (a communist) is it, someone told us do not establish such contact because those regions like nazis or communists would be banned soon from NationStates.
Sincerely, I am tired of fake acuses. Sorry if I am so upset.

I have to ask you : if we are not permitted to have an embassy with a (simple) "communist" region or one like The Red Fleet, then why you can have an embassy connection with them ? ??????

I consider that you already make a discrimination , very clear, in public. And no one have an eye on you.

NationStates is a (virtual) simulation game, not a real life.

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Postby LollerLand » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:56 am

Koguria wrote:The Community of [nation=CAIN United] wrote: → tag: api
1 day 8 hours ago

The Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism has identified some of the regions among your embassies as Nazi Regions. You can find the full list of such regions here: List of Designated Nazi Regions

One of the primary goals of the Coalition is the diplomatic isolation of Nazi Regions. We believe that this is critical for preventing the spread of their hateful message across NationStates. For this reason, we encourage you to withdraw your embassy with the above region.

Please note that choosing not to withdraw the embassy can result in your region being labeled as a Nazi Collaborator, and being subjected to opposition from the Coalition's signatories.

If you have any questions about the above, please contact [nation=Brunhizzle].

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My answer: We do not have embassies with regions designed as Nazi, extreme Communist, Raider or Invader. We are not responsible for the ways or values of other regions or if they choose to become later like one of them (like in the list).
The [region=Holy Byzantine Eurasian Confederacy] is a free and independent region where all are free to choose any life path they desire and follow any morals they wish, providing that their beliefs are always for a good mankind and nature. It mean that we do not use racism or discrimination of any type.

We didn't see any nazi emblem in the [region=KAISERREICH] until now. They used mostly the Teuton Order's emblem crux which is used also by the Templar Order on red. If they are really a nazi region, even if in secrecy, then they have to say that in public. If they are innocent, then they have to call the help from the Illuminati, the Templar Order, the Teuton Order, the Malta Order, the ONU, the NATO, the freemasons, the churches and all those whom they know.

I personally I am sad that [region=Europeia] , a region which was involved sometimes in partnership with some raider and invader regions, like Hydra Command, and like [region=The Invaders] who use a Nazi Eagle, have the right of signature to decide who is good or bad.

Even if my region do not say anything or do not know anything about some military actions, I personally, Koguria, still consider Europeia a cruel region after the invasion of [region=Singapore]. [region=The Red Fleet] should notice that. Because when it was to have an embassy even with someone like The Red Fleet (a communist) is it, someone told us do not establish such contact because those regions like nazis or communists would be banned soon from NationStates.
Sincerely, I am tired of fake acuses. Sorry if I am so upset.

I have to ask you : if we are not permitted to have an embassy with a (simple) "communist" region or one like The Red Fleet, then why you can have an embassy connection with them ? ??????

I consider that you already make a discrimination , very clear, in public. And no one have an eye on you.

NationStates is a (virtual) simulation game, not a real life.

You were sent the telegram because your region holds embassy with KAISERREICH, a designated Nazi region. The following is the evidence to prove that the said region is indeed having Nazi ideals
KAISERREICH maintains that they are not a Nazi Region but are rather an Imperialist Monarchy. However, with indications of the use of Nazi Imagery in previous iterations of their off-site forums and sometimes blatant anti-Semitic tendencies from some of their leaders, this claim is called into question.

Their founder seems to have an issue with Jews, their current Reich Chancellor uses Nazi Imagery in their dispatches (I have photographic proof if this happens to get removed), and they've had Pro-Nazi leaders in the past.

CAIN has no problem whatsoever if your region wants to hold embassies with communist regions. And we are aware of the fact that NS is a simulation and not real life and that is why we are using NS gameplay itself to combat Nazism in NS.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby DACOROMANIA » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:49 am

1. Definitions

Nazism: The ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state, as well as other far-right groups. In the context of NationStates, it is an ideology that glorifies National Socialism or Nazi Germany and/or actively practices Nazi beliefs such as antisemitism, pseudo-scientific racism, racial hygiene, slaughter for living space, genocide, eugenics, persecution of LGBT, etc.

Nazi Region: A region recognized by CAIN as a region that practices, or has practiced, Nazism.

Nazi Collaborator: A region recognized by CAIN as a region that assists in furthering the agenda of, and/or shares core beliefs with, Nazism and/or Nazi Regions.


My region, [region=Holy Byzantine Eurasian Confederacy] , do NOT have any of these Nazi principles or fact. Nothing of those three criterias.

We have only an embassy with Kaiserreich, nothing more. It is really necessary to close this embassy? or... could we continue our embassy even if we are NOT a Nazi collaborator?
Because Kaiserreich refuse to admit itself as a nazi region.

I have to say that we do not want to be a part of the war between the nazis and the communist. It is your war, not ours.

I want to make an appeal to have the right to be permitted to keep an embassy with someone like The Red Fleet and with someone like Kaiserreich. I want to be an exception in this cause.
I appeal at the right of democracy and the right to stay neutral. Without to face ejection or ban.

My region have also embassies with Israel or Mossad designed regions. And we want to remain universal as we were until now.
We have embassies also with Illuminati even if others do not agree their beliefs.

We do not have embassies with Nazi declared regions, neither raider/invader regions like (a part of) DEN was before. We do not have connections with extremists.

I make an appeal to you to be permitted myself to keep peace with everyone.
My purpose is to find solutions, not issues/problems.

As you can see at the description of my region,
We are neutral and respect for everyone. We can work as a whole of humanity to coexist in any world.
Peace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy, and I wish we may be permitted to pursue it.
All nations may enter, the wise remain. All may do as they will and can as they may.
All are free to choose any life path they desire and follow any morals they wish, providing that their beliefs are always for a good mankind and nature.


We want to be a binder and a mediator which can bring peace with everyone and to unite Earth.
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Leader of DACOROMANIA, Founder of Roman Byzantine Union.

I wish to save human race and to build a new nation-state, with ideals like human rights, peace and prosperity for all despite of any difference, avoiding the tyranny and preserving the liberty. To grow, to aid and save each other. Also going interstellar. Even if abandoned by family and nobody cares, I wish to do something important in life before to die, something that may really count.
I'm so alone on Earth and I see how the world may fall into chaos. All looks irrational and immoral. It's a pain to not be able to do anything and to be surrounded by barbarians.

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DACOROMANIA
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby DACOROMANIA » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:05 am

I wrote on the KAISERREICH 's regional RMB that they have now to prove what they are, if they are or not.

They have now a poll for their residents to vote on which ideology they have.

Also you have to remark the difference between:
1. the german imperial insignia and historic tribute to a nation with a teutonic simbol ,
and
2. what it is a nazi swastika and racial ideology.

Also they have to say if their region is responsible or not for the actions or ideology of some of their residents.
They have to say if they are good, historic role-play or not.

If the results of inspection would release that they are not "nazis", then they have to say this. Depending on that results, there would be decided if it is a good idea or not to keep an embassy connection, because I don't want to be a part into a war started by you or them. I am NOT a nazi collaborator, neither communist, or any other ""extreme"". But I would not take a responsibility of how any foreign region is considered.

Sorry, but I do not have how to help instead to give you an advice today. I hope that your coalition would be wise and you have to find solutions. I do not agree mistakes which bring war instead of peace.
Leader of DACOROMANIA, Founder of Roman Byzantine Union.

I wish to save human race and to build a new nation-state, with ideals like human rights, peace and prosperity for all despite of any difference, avoiding the tyranny and preserving the liberty. To grow, to aid and save each other. Also going interstellar. Even if abandoned by family and nobody cares, I wish to do something important in life before to die, something that may really count.
I'm so alone on Earth and I see how the world may fall into chaos. All looks irrational and immoral. It's a pain to not be able to do anything and to be surrounded by barbarians.

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Koguria
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Postby Koguria » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:32 am

Lollerland wrote:CAIN has no problem whatsoever if your region wants to hold embassies with communist regions. And we are aware of the fact that NS is a simulation and not real life and that is why we are using NS gameplay itself to combat Nazism in NS.


There in NationStates were at least 2 anti-communist movements. You don't have problem with this as you say. But others have such problem. The NS forum is large, like the NS world is large and big. It is difficult for you to know, maybe.
I would give to you only one example : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=395380&hilit=anti+communist+coalition
They do not know you yet, because your coalition is new. But you have communist regions alongside your signatures.
If there is to apply the decisions of each coalitions as they wish to do, then the NS world could become a scene of difficult wars. In Who should trust (in the long run) ?

Your coalition forgot to include some exceptions at your objective > that not all regions who have embassies are directly responsible of the actions of their regional connections.
You need to appoint mediators also.

At the same time your telegrams wired sounds like "endorse X or face ejection" for few players. It is an imperative order instead of a recommendation. The attitude of your coalition is viewed like an empire who come to impose its rules over others. It is unexpected psychology, but it have similar mental effect.

Every law at every nation/state have some exceptions.

I recommend you to see the Decree of Atuh also.

As I have said, my region should be permitted to keep embassies with each one who is not extreme in ideology.

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Postby Brunhizzle » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:42 am

Koguria wrote:SNIP


I'm not sure why this is relevant, though I will note that the Coalition you linked to is younger than CAIN and created in response to CAIN.

My region do NOT have any of these Nazi principles or fact. Nothing of those three criterias.


CAIN believes that possessing an embassy is one of the most concrete examples of connection two regions can have. It is the Coalition's belief that embassies assist in furthering the diplomatic agenda of a region and thus any region which possesses an embassy with a designated Nazi Region is identified as a Nazi Region.

I have to say that we do not want to be a part of the war between the nazis and the communist. It is your war, not ours.


CAIN is, in no way, a leftist Coalition. While we do have leftist signatories, the majority of our members are not leftists. This is not a war between the left and the right, it is a war against the discriminatory practices associated with Nazism.

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Also you have to remark the difference between:
1. the german imperial insignia and historic tribute to a nation with a teutonic simbol ,
and
2. what it is a nazi swastika and racial ideology.


The Nazi Imagery identified was not the German Iron Cross or Imperial Insignia but Swastikas and German WW2 propaganda.
Brunhilde

"I have three children and if I can raise just one of them to be more like Brunhilde and less like Sygian I'll consider myself a successful parent."
-Scardino

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