Illegal Script Usage "Predator": Punishments

[Zacherie]

The mods are biased and embarrassingly terrible.

Please, let's not make this another 'we hate the mods' thread.

On top of it, every raider who sat in silence and gave me a half baked "I feel bad for OC" is a coward and extra for people and groups who actually used predator and didn't have the stones to say anything.

What do you want them to do? Speak up to a moderation staff that has (so far) not responded to any of their concerns? The mods have enough on their hands already without the raider mob coming out with pitchforks, and that would just make it worse.

[Of crazed]

The mods are biased and embarrassingly terrible.

Please, let's not make this another 'we hate the mods' thread.

Why not? I don't trust the moderators at all. An organization that I have contributed to for a decade has been declared a continuation of The Black Riders, even though it has a decade of history before that. The branding for my organization has been banned, no further regions related is allowed to be created. I'll ignore the lack of logic of the banning the branding of TBR would have never prevented them from organizing in DEN, therefore it makes no sense to do this.

How can you think moderation is anything but biased when they delete raider control regions no questions asked and are radio silent about it for a month. And leave the defender held regions violating the same basic premise alone for the same period of time. I'll ignore the fact that Sedge and CG have taken personal in game action against me in the capacity as moderators, because I have no problem with moderators taking in game actions. I do have a problem with the same moderators then making unprecedented, illogical, biased moderator rulings that punish me and my friends I knew in DEN who never heard of predator. They play this terrible game where they pretend like their personal opinions don't impact their ability to be impartial by saying they are now acting as a different role.

[Drop Your Pants]

Personally I prefer having CG and Sedge dealing with this, better than one of the mods who dislike R/D in general. We possibly wouldn't be arguing about DEN but the whole removal of R/D.

[YoriZ]

In general, I do not like punishments at all.
However, this is a case where the chickens have come home to roost.
I believe this was a very difficult ruling to make and I think the moderators did a fairly good job of thinking out a workable solution.
I wonder wether the same mistakes will be made over again by raiders.
I hope new game mechanics will be instated to level the playing field of R/D a bit more (see summit).
Next to the punishments, I would like to make reparations a part of the debate.

[We Are Not the NSA]

In general, I do not like punishments at all.
However, this is a case where the chickens have come home to roost.
I believe this was a very difficult ruling to make and I think the moderators did a fairly good job of thinking out a workable solution.
I wonder wether the same mistakes will be made over again by raiders.
I hope new game mechanics will be instated to level the playing field of R/D a bit more (see summit).
Next to the punishments, I would like to make reparations a part of the debate.

Reparations?

[Evil Wolf]

Next to the punishments, I would like to make reparations a part of the debate.

Reparations?

Beyond the individual punishments, the complete and permanent destruction of two regions, the foreseeable annihilation of DEN as an organization to include uninvolved non-Predator versions, the banning of "successors organizations" for both DEN and Cimmeria, the ending of all occupations conducted by those two groups, and the considerable black spot this entire affair put on Gameplay, you've also got a metric shitton of regions, previous refounded by DEN, that were returned to players that stepped forward to claim them.

What else do you want? Flowers, candy, and a year's subscription to Netflix?

[We Are Not the NSA]

Reparations?

Beyond the individual punishments, the complete and permanent destruction of two regions, the foreseeable annihilation of DEN as an organization to include uninvolved non-Predator versions, the banning of "successors organizations" for both DEN and Cimmeria, the ending of all occupations conducted by those two groups, and the considerable black spot this entire affair put on Gameplay, you've also got a metric shitton of regions, previous refounded by DEN, that were returned to players that stepped forward to claim them.

What else do you want? Flowers, candy, and a year's subscription to Netflix?

My thoughts exactly. We don't have anything to give as reparations.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Raiders in this topic (and other gameplayers, because you'll understand what I'm on about too), gather round. Team meeting. Group huddle.

You don't have to reply to every native that shows up with a crackpot idea.

[95 block]

Why not? I don't trust the moderators at all. An organization that I have contributed to for a decade has been declared a continuation of The Black Riders, even though it has a decade of history before that. The branding for my organization has been banned, no further regions related is allowed to be created. I'll ignore the lack of logic of the banning the branding of TBR would have never prevented them from organizing in DEN, therefore it makes no sense to do this.

How can you think moderation is anything but biased when they delete raider control regions no questions asked and are radio silent about it for a month. And leave the defender held regions violating the same basic premise alone for the same period of time. I'll ignore the fact that Sedge and CG have taken personal in game action against me in the capacity as moderators, because I have no problem with moderators taking in game actions. I do have a problem with the same moderators then making unprecedented, illogical, biased moderator rulings that punish me and my friends I knew in DEN who never heard of predator. They play this terrible game where they pretend like their personal opinions don't impact their ability to be impartial by saying they are now acting as a different role.

I feel so much this. My heart goes out to you OC.

[YoriZ]

Reparations?

Beyond the individual punishments, the complete and permanent destruction of two regions, the foreseeable annihilation of DEN as an organization to include uninvolved non-Predator versions, the banning of "successors organizations" for both DEN and Cimmeria, the ending of all occupations conducted by those two groups, and the considerable black spot this entire affair put on Gameplay, you've also got a metric shitton of regions, previous refounded by DEN, that were returned to players that stepped forward to claim them.

What else do you want? Flowers, candy, and a year's subscription to Netflix?

Flowers: check,
Candy: check,
Netflix: check.

Time to implement the custodian
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=259000#p16285162
That would do as a reparation.

[Flanderlion]

Beyond the individual punishments, the complete and permanent destruction of two regions, the foreseeable annihilation of DEN as an organization to include uninvolved non-Predator versions, the banning of "successors organizations" for both DEN and Cimmeria, the ending of all occupations conducted by those two groups, and the considerable black spot this entire affair put on Gameplay, you've also got a metric shitton of regions, previous refounded by DEN, that were returned to players that stepped forward to claim them.

What else do you want? Flowers, candy, and a year's subscription to Netflix?

Flowers: check,
Candy: check,
Netflix: check.

Time to implement the custodian
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=259000#p16285162
That would do as a reparation.

I don't think tech features should be balanced around payback, more about having a level playing field. Custodian wouldn't really work at this time, as there isn't a great number of viable founderless regions atm. - also, I thought the whole Estimated Update Times was the punishment to organised raiderdom to the advantage of native raiders? Although Estimated Update Times are certainly taking a while.

[Belgium fighters]

Hello, everyone.

I am your mod messenger of the day, and I am here to inform you of the decisions of the Team regarding DEN regions:

• Anti-DEN regions DEN Destroyer, DEN Destroyers politics, The Anti DEN reclaimation League and The South DEN have been allowed to remain.
• Evil Wolf's region "The DEN" has been allowed to be re-founded, albeit with the capitalisation changed to "The Den".
• "Defender trophy" The Den Base has been allowed to remain.
• The creation of DEN-themed/successor regions remains prohibited; we will review this again later this year.

Any questions, please fill in a form and we'll get back to you when the coffee machine has had a proper refill.

Thank you!

A sad day...

I 100% agree with OC. He has devoted even more time into DEN then I have and even I feel like a commie traitor being wiped out of existence and history by Stalin himself...

[Guy]

Hello, everyone.

• Evil Wolf's region "The DEN" has been allowed to be re-founded, albeit with the capitalisation changed to "The Den".
• The creation of DEN-themed/successor regions remains prohibited; we will review this again later this year.

Presumably if a DEN-themed region operates out of "The Den" it will be deleted?

[Sedgistan]

Yes.

[Kuskelherria]

. . .<snip> . . . I do have a problem with the same moderators then making unprecedented, illogical, biased moderator rulings that punish me and my friends I knew in DEN who never heard of predator. They play this terrible game where they pretend like their personal opinions don't impact their ability to be impartial by saying they are now acting as a different role.

What a bunch of whiners you raider types have turned out to be. Those of us who joined the game to navel gaze and work on our WA categories are the Mods. This is the first time in months that one of my regions which has an absent founder has been left in peace and I am really happy about that. Thank you, Sedge and CG and all the Mods who worked on this . Rs think it's so much fun to mess up others' regions. But when it's your region and your nation affected you are so upset.

It's a done deal. Think of it as a raid and move on.

[Aclion]

Hello, everyone.

I am your mod messenger of the day, and I am here to inform you of the decisions of the Team regarding DEN regions:

• Anti-DEN regions DEN Destroyer, DEN Destroyers politics, The Anti DEN reclaimation League and The South DEN have been allowed to remain.
• Evil Wolf's region "The DEN" has been allowed to be re-founded, albeit with the capitalisation changed to "The Den".
• "Defender trophy" The Den Base has been allowed to remain.
• The creation of DEN-themed/successor regions remains prohibited; we will review this again later this year.

Any questions, please fill in a form and we'll get back to you when the coffee machine has had a proper refill.

Thank you!

Seems like the ideal response.

[Of crazed]

Personally I prefer having CG and Sedge dealing with this, better than one of the mods who dislike R/D in general. We possibly wouldn't be arguing about DEN but the whole removal of R/D.

Everyone who isn't punished without breaking any rules is happy. I am not happy. It's very clear from Sedge's postings that the time line of the DEN he presented to the moderation team is total garbage.

Banning DEN branding will not prevent cheating. The DEN is not TBR. It never has and never will be. The only people who make this case are people who want to get rid of DEN while they can.

If the mods banned TBR branding, it would not have prevented the cheating that happened in DEN. So how again is banning future DEN regions and DEN branding stopping cheating? It's Donald Trump Moderation. This isn't a solution, but looking tough is more important than a fair punishment.

[Of crazed]

. . .<snip> . . . I do have a problem with the same moderators then making unprecedented, illogical, biased moderator rulings that punish me and my friends I knew in DEN who never heard of predator. They play this terrible game where they pretend like their personal opinions don't impact their ability to be impartial by saying they are now acting as a different role.

What a bunch of whiners you raider types have turned out to be. Those of us who joined the game to navel gaze and work on our WA categories are the Mods. This is the first time in months that one of my regions which has an absent founder has been left in peace and I am really happy about that. Thank you, Sedge and CG and all the Mods who worked on this . Rs think it's so much fun to mess up others' regions. But when it's your region and your nation affected you are so upset.

It's a done deal. Think of it as a raid and move on.

I'm sorry you can't take care of your own region without the mods holding your hand.

[Evil Wolf]

Time to implement the custodian
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=259000#p16285162
That would do as a reparation.

You mean the InstaWin (™) proposal? Yeah, that's a great idea...if you want to see an explosion in tag raids and the few remaining non-tags be even more destructive.

That idea actively discourages Crashers from wanting to hold regions for more than a few days, which means raiders are more likely to tag. It also means that the traditional raider groups that do want to hold regions have a very, very limited amount of time before an InstaWin (™) proposal is passed against them, something they can't fight against no matter how clever or resourceful they are. So, in order make a bigger impact on the regions they capture, the few remaining traditional raiders will likely be forced to attempting refounds, and done as quickly as possible, which will either end in a successful refound or a tremendous amount of destruction to the target. This would be the only way to achieve anything even close to a meaningful victory under the god-modding monstrosity that is the InstaWin (™) proposal system.

Hey, if I'm dropping 25-45+ troopers on a region only to see my well deserved victory stolen from me a few days later by the InstaWin (™), I'm going to attempt to refound the region in order to deny my enemies their victory. It's only natural.

But I'm sure this is a good "reparation" idea.

[Guy]

If you can refound, that means that you're able to kick out the custodian, and hence their ability to impact must be minimal, as they would not have too much influence themselves...

Basically, you're grossly overstating the impact of this.

[Guy]

What a bunch of whiners you raider types have turned out to be. Those of us who joined the game to navel gaze and work on our WA categories are the Mods. This is the first time in months that one of my regions which has an absent founder has been left in peace and I am really happy about that. Thank you, Sedge and CG and all the Mods who worked on this . Rs think it's so much fun to mess up others' regions. But when it's your region and your nation affected you are so upset.

It's a done deal. Think of it as a raid and move on.

I'm sorry you can't take care of your own region without the mods holding your hand.

I'm sorry you don't have a region anymore

I'm sorry you can't help yourself but be an asshole.

[Jakker]

I'm sorry you can't take care of your own region without the mods holding your hand.

I'm sorry you don't have a region anymore

I'm sorry you can't help yourself but be an asshole.

Now now Guy, no need for the name calling. There's no reason we can't be civil. *eats apple*

[Sedgistan]

It has been brought to our attention that Knot II has been serving as a Regional Officer in HYDRA Command's occupation of Russia, using Border Control powers to eject nations attempting to liberate the region. This goes completely against the intent of the punishments handed out to players for Predator involvement, which was to ban them from any in-game involvement with invasions.

Knot II's puppet Tristiania has been dismissed as an Officer. Any of the players currently under a WA ban for Predator involvement should not serve as Regional Officers outside their home regions for the duration of their ban. Any that are currently violating this should submit a GHR immediately so that we can mod-dismiss them, and should not use their RO powers in the meantime.

The OP of this thread is to be edited to include this.

[Sedgistan]

I'm sorry you can't take care of your own region without the mods holding your hand.

I'm sorry you don't have a region anymore

I'm sorry you can't help yourself but be an asshole.

*** 1 day ban for flaming. *** That was totally unnecessary.

[General Knot]

The OP of this thread is to be edited to include this.

Thanks for the clarification. I guess defenders will have to wait another two months until spring.