Any Cosmopolitanist/Interregionalist Manifestos?

[Nasania]

I am wondering if there are any Cosmopolitanist Interregionalist Manifestos? If not, then could someone describe the basic tenets of the ideology; its values, beliefs and such? I am going to be using it in an upcoming opinion piece where I am going to contrast it with Regionalism.

Edit: It seems to me, that Interregionalist would be a more accurate and precise term for the ideology. Based on various critiques of the UDL alignment test.

[Belschaft]

In summary; join as many important regions as possible and try to gain power and influence in them all while claiming to be loyal to each.

[Evil Wolf]

Here! Here!

And don't forget to act outraged if anyone calls you out on it.

[Estenia]

In summary; join as many important regions as possible and try to gain power and influence in them all while claiming to be loyal to each.

It's had though, I got 2 friends who are foes with each and as such proving cosmopolitanism is the hardest ideology. (If it was pointles, please tell me)

[Corvus Corax]

In summary; join as many important regions as possible and try to gain power and influence in them all while claiming to be loyal to each.

It's had though, I got 2 friends who are foes with each and as such proving cosmopolitanism is the hardest ideology. (If it was pointles, please tell me)

How it is "hardest Ideology"?

I find it rather simple as a ideological maxim from my perspective: Crash'm'All. Instead, how to spread that ideological principle to achieve necessary forces behind the Maxim is much more harder.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Cosmopolitanism is an idea created by Unibot, fleshed out in several essays. So yeah, there are manifestos for cosmopolitanism. But it's not a foreign policy, unlike Independence and imperialism.

[Solorni]

Cosmopolitanism is an idea created by Unibot, fleshed out in several essays. So yeah, there are manifestos for cosmopolitanism. But it's not a foreign policy, unlike Independence and imperialism.

Was it created by him or was he simply describing a current trend?

[Cormac Stark]

Cosmopolitanism is an idea created by Unibot, fleshed out in several essays. So yeah, there are manifestos for cosmopolitanism. But it's not a foreign policy, unlike Independence and imperialism.

It's not a foreign policy, no, more of a philosophy. But whether a region is more inclined toward regionalism or cosmopolitanism can impact a number of ways a region governs itself, including its foreign policy.

[Evil Wolf]

Cosmopolitanism is an idea created by Unibot, fleshed out in several essays.

Created? No. Identified and gave a name? Yes.

The concept of being involved in many, many regions and the "duality" that goes along has existed well before Unibot started playing the game. He merely gave a catchy term to the idea. Before then we called it "guy who is in way too many regions", just as before Unibot coined the obnoxious term "piling", we just called it "re-enforcements".

He likes inventing new terms for old idea, you see.

[Communist Eraser]

Cosmopolitan is raiser to type than 'guy in too many regions' though

[Glen-Rhodes]

The concept of being involved in many, many regions and the "duality" that goes along has existed well before Unibot started playing the game.

I don't think "duality" has ever been something advocated in Unibot's essays. At least not in the sense that people use the term normally, which is used to create some kind of imaginary firewall between an individual's multiple persona.

He merely gave a catchy term to the idea. Before then we called it "guy who is in way too many regions", just as before Unibot coined the obnoxious term "piling", we just called it "re-enforcements".

Unibot invented the term "piling?"

[Belschaft]

The concept of being involved in many, many regions and the "duality" that goes along has existed well before Unibot started playing the game.

I don't think "duality" has ever been something advocated in Unibot's essays. At least not in the sense that people use the term normally, which is used to create some kind of imaginary firewall between an individual's multiple persona.

He merely gave a catchy term to the idea. Before then we called it "guy who is in way too many regions", just as before Unibot coined the obnoxious term "piling", we just called it "re-enforcements".

Unibot invented the term "piling?"

I can't remember precisely who first started using it, but it was popularized by the early UDL in late 2011. It could have been any of us who first coined it.

[Unibot III]

I think it was an evolution of language borrowed from the WA. 'Stomping' and 'stacking' were quite common in the WA (I think I may have invented 'stomping' .. maybe, definitely popularized both). Piling was a natural fit. Stomping and stacking were always violent, emotive terms that we used to describe a practice that was either your saving grace or the bane of your existence - you can say those terms with scorn, or with delightful relief.

(*After looking it up*). It seems to have come out of The Proletariat Coalition invasion and the subsequent Stargate occupation and those big pile raids that invaderdom were doing Nov-Dec 2011 and into Jan 2012. So, Bel is probably right that it was UDL in 2011. I know a quote from Elu on Jan 2012 shows him using piling with quotation marks ("piling") while others weren't, which suggests the word was still a fairly recent invention.

Now, "Regionalism" and "Cosmopolitanism" I can safely say were mine. But I think it's funny how they've taken on a life on their own. Solorni and Glen-Rhodes are both kind of right. It was described in several essays - I was picking out a rising trend. A new way of thinking about nativeness. But I was also downloading a lot of my own thoughts into the theory to clarify stuff.

For example, I never saw "cosmopolitanism" as "regional whoring", I saw it as an extension of liberalism in NS. Polysemes discusses a nascent relationship between authoritarianism and regionalism (in many ways like authoritarianism and nationalism). The basic conclusion of Polysemes is that regionalism is essentially socially authoritarian and I end it by questioning whether regionalism could kind of mix with cosmopolitanism to reach something that is the "best of both worlds". Kogvuron tried to solve that puzzle with After Polysemes (arguing that Lazarus was an example of a regionalist state with a negative conception of nativeness). I think the jury is still out on that.

[Corvus Corax]

I think it was a evolution of language borrowed from the WA. 'Stomping' and 'stacking' were quite common in the WA (I think I may have invented 'stomping' .. maybe, definitely popularized both). Piling was a natural fit.

"Piling" is very good and descriptive word for it's purpose. I try fight intensively against the concept of "tag raid" or "tag raiding" because it is in essence misconception. Common use of the term/concept concentrates too much about visual things related to it, not that much to dynamic aspects of R/D gameplay.

People has tendency forget that every delegate whom renewe his/her position as a delegate during an update are equal to a elected "tag raider" delegate for next 12 hours, WA member in between updates or not.

Uni. You should work with inner meanings of "Invasion", "Reinforcement", "Tag raid", "Defense" etc. more further. Maybe you will someday produce really good 'materialistic' essay on the physics of the Multiverse. Just leave that idealistic BS aside and concentrate to the matter: "Everything about delegate elections in NationStates"

Such writing is beyond my current skills in English, so I cannot do it myself.

[KaelThas Quilor]

For example, I never saw "cosmopolitanism" as "regional whoring", I saw it as an extension of liberalism in NS. Polysemes discusses a nascent relationship between authoritarianism and regionalism (in many ways like authoritarianism and nationalism). The basic conclusion of Polysemes is that regionalism is essentially socially authoritarian and I end it by questioning whether regionalism could kind of mix with cosmopolitanism to reach something that is the "best of both worlds". Kogvuron tried to solve that puzzle with After Polysemes (arguing that Lazarus was an example of a regionalist state with a negative conception of nativeness). I think the jury is still out on that.

Its only an extension of liberalism for a given value of the term liberalism, and only when that term is applied to the whole of NS rather than to individual regions. A region is not 'illiberal' simply because it is predominantly regionalist - it may be 'illiberal' in terms of how it views certain things externally, but internally, its liberalness is distinct from any regionalist mindset.

The biggest problem with your interpretation of cosmopolitanism, Unibot, for my money, is that you're taking the individual cosmopolitan players out of context when you discuss the concept, and given just how social and interconnected a game this is, taking players out of their contexts tends to distort the picture a lot.

[Belschaft]

Exactly. It's only a measure of liberalism if you take openness to people being in multiple regions as the sole measure of liberty.

A region could be strongly regionalist whilst having exceptional protections of domestic liberty.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I think regionalism as defined in Unibot's essay is not the kind of regionalism that is accepting and not automatically suspicious and discriminatory against people who hold memberships elsewhere. I think there's a very big difference between placing a high value on somebody dedicating their entirety to a single region, versus sentiments like "true members" of the region. To a degree, every region will not universally ignore all other memberships and never treat with suspicion those who are involved in a lot of places. "Region whoring" still exists.

But regionalists do tend to take the whole "true member" thing to heart and automatically devalue those who are politically active, but also hold positions elsewhere. When Unibot calls for a "merging" of cosmopolitanism and regionalism, I think he's calling for something along the lines of the first thing I mentioned: valuing dedication, but not relegating to some second class those who don't dedicate themselves 100% to the region.

[KaelThas Quilor]

But the kind of knee jerk regionalism you speak of (which is just as bad as any proposition taken too far, be it cosmopolitianism, defenderism, liberalism, etc) isn't actually as common as the more nuanced variety.

[Solorni]

Essentially that is true of most political theories, where nearly everything is a blend and on a scale rather than extremes.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Essentially that is true of most political theories, where nearly everything is a blend and on a scale rather than extremes.

I wasn't claiming to be innovative there, Rach

Very little of what I say is innovative, when it comes to these kinds of things. The world needs people like Unibot for that very innovation...and then needs people like me to not be innovative with it, but to consider it in a non-innovative light.

Cosmopolitainism taken too far is effectively region-whoring. Regionalism taken too far is xenophobic 'No true Scotsman'ism and all that. But the 'middle ground' is a spectrum rather than one spot, so some level of suspicion towards cosmopolitians is likely to exist in many parts of the regionalist end of the middle ground.

[Glen-Rhodes]

But the kind of knee jerk regionalism you speak of (which is just as bad as any proposition taken too far, be it cosmopolitianism, defenderism, liberalism, etc) isn't actually as common as the more nuanced variety.

Not really. I think there are a lot of people who think along "true members" lines.

[KaelThas Quilor]

'A lot' is a vague number at best, and a useless one at worst. I didn't say that the number was large or small overall, I said relatively, its smaller than the more nuanced variety.

The problem is that you're defining that far end of regionalism as simply including suspicion, which is inaccurate.

[Nasania]

I have found that regionalism is fascism if it goes extreme. Fascism is basically a form of conservatism that places such a small emphasis on Liberty or Equality, that it is basically willing to destroy Liberty and Equality to achieve Order. The Pacific's Francoism comes close to fascism(60% Order focus). The extremist threshold is 2/3.

Not especially certain what a cosmopolitan's score for order is, hence my question. I have analyzed Unibot's writings and he does have a preference for order but it isn't especially high (it is 24%).

Which liberalism do you mean? The American version or the European version? In the US, liberals are egalitarians while the libertarians advocate liberty, while in Europe liberal is liberal and egalitarians are called labour/socialist/green.

Extremists link

[Republic of Minerva]

Cosmopolitan Raider Manifesto:

Step 1.) Ally with everyone
Step 2.) Destroy everyone who doesn't ally with you
Step 3.) Profit

[KaelThas Quilor]

I have found that regionalism is fascism if it goes extreme. Fascism is basically a form of conservatism that places such a small emphasis on Liberty or Equality, that it is basically willing to destroy Liberty and Equality to achieve Order. The Pacific's Francoism comes close to fascism(60% Order focus). The extremist threshold is 2/3.

Not especially certain what a cosmopolitan's score for order is, hence my question. I have analyzed Unibot's writings and he does have a preference for order but it isn't especially high (it is 24%).

Which liberalism do you mean? The American version or the European version? In the US, liberals are egalitarians while the libertarians advocate liberty, while in Europe liberal is liberal and egalitarians are called labour/socialist/green.

Extremists link

Everything becomes something undesireable when it goes to the extreme, but you don't get to just throw the word Fascism around against things you don't like.