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by Rifty » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:41 pm
by TCB Central News Agency » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:49 am
by Rifty » Thu Dec 25, 2014 7:06 am
by Solorni » Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:57 am
by Applebania » Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:00 am
Solorni wrote:I don't think there is a single region founded in the current era of recruitment that has had the success of The Communist Bloc.
by Rifty » Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:09 am
by Zenya » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:44 pm
Rifty wrote:Very impressive... o.o
Forward with the only communist region I like....ahaha....Doing some amazing thing; keep it up ;D
Solorni wrote:You have done amazingly Zenny; I don't think there is a single region founded in the current era of recruitment that has had the success of The Communist Bloc. Big kudos to you, your friends and your region.
Rifty wrote:I know I know - tooting my own horn~
CoF got to 330 citizens in the space of 3 months. AoI has 100 WA nations inside the region....plus a large militaryy which would move that number closer to 140. Just means less puppets.
How many Wa Nations does TCB have anyway? O.o
by Rifty » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:48 pm
Zenya wrote:Rifty wrote:Very impressive... o.o
Forward with the only communist region I like....ahaha....Doing some amazing thing; keep it up ;D
Well to be fair you're thus far the only imperialist I probably haven't ranted against at some point xD <3 Being polite goes a very long way in my book since its a rare trait among world leaders unless they're trying to get something from youSolorni wrote:You have done amazingly Zenny; I don't think there is a single region founded in the current era of recruitment that has had the success of The Communist Bloc. Big kudos to you, your friends and your region.
Raaaaaaaach everything you say to me is so good for propaganda <3Rifty wrote:I know I know - tooting my own horn~
CoF got to 330 citizens in the space of 3 months. AoI has 100 WA nations inside the region....plus a large militaryy which would move that number closer to 140. Just means less puppets.
How many Wa Nations does TCB have anyway? O.o
Just checked, like I said in the letter, weve stayed steady with a 25-30% WA rate like most large UCR's that I've checked (http://nsdossier.texasregion.net/default.aspx really good site, tons of tools to keep track of stuff) and we currently have about 130 WA's in the region, but counting all soldiers with WA's outside, its just about 150 I believe, so not too awful ^.^
by New Brussels » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:03 pm
by Zenya » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:49 am
New Brussels wrote:Actually extremely impressed with the way this region is being run. Who knows, I might even drop a puppet by to stay
Rifty wrote:To be fair - That first telegram you got from me were I was polite was me just trying not to have to reclaim that region myself; Too much drama. The outcome from it was suprising though - Was ready to have to get involved that update and then BAM. You were all good with it. xD
by TCB Central News Agency » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:52 am
by Misley » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:27 am
by Cormac Stark » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:03 am
by Misley » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:20 am
by Zenya » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:52 am
Misley wrote:It's always interesting to find out that you've been reached out to by reading propaganda saying so.
The Red Fleet hasn't been contacted unless, of course, you're referring to the messages exchanged when you first "distanced" yourselves from Libertatem and company (although you still have a dispatch written by Libertatem's current president pinned to your region, so we can see how much "distance" you've put between TCB and Lib), and not, as this propaganda suggests, after you "doubled down" on developing "peace and tolerance" between TCB and the NS Left.
Misley wrote:Socialism is also anti-capitalist, and the fact that TCB continues to hold CAPS high in their embassy list as a trophy, allows Libertatem puppets to remain in their region, and have taken no substantive actions toward working with leftists beyond joining the Anne Frank liberation (as did most non-fascist militaries of any importance, so even that isn't very substantive) makes it very clear that TCB is "Communist" in name only.
TCB is a popular UCR at the moment, but they're hardly a communist region, and no one in the left is fooled by the name.
by Zenya » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:54 am
Cormac Stark wrote:The NationStates left would be better off keeping its distance from and continuing to be wary of a "communist" region whose Founder is from invader, imperialist, and independent regions. Anti-fascism isn't all socialism is about; it is also anti-imperialist. I've seen no indication that TCB is anything but another imperialist region, just dressed in red.
by Misley » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:05 pm
Zenya wrote:No, I contacted you specifically on cooperating with you and you stated that TRF would never work with us. And then days later you personally came to me requesting soldiers for Anne Frank (but by then we had already been approached by General NES for the operation).
Zenya wrote:Actually Misley, you know absolutely nothing about us or our region. And I think you'll be quite surprised at the progress I've been making in the last 2 weeks on TCB-Leftist relations. I enforce everything I put my name on, and I am committed to our resolution. We have quite a few things in the works.
by Zenya » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:16 pm
Misley wrote:I never invited you to a Red Fleet operation. You know that Anne Frank was a broad coalition of groups that will likely never work together again (UDL and Antifa, for example) and that we needed every single endorsement that came along on that last update. By the time I sent you a message, the cat was out of the bag with AF and I figured I'd see how serious you were about your goal to reconcile with the left.
Misley wrote:You've showed your resolve to carry out military operations against fascist targets, but you continue to allow Libertatem puppets to stay in your region (can't dip below that precious 500, I'm sure) and you've still got Condealism's incredibly dewy-eyed dispatch pinned to your WFE.
Constitution of The Communist Bloc wrote:3b. Any resident nation that posts on the forum or RMB material or speech that is considered hateful, prejudiced, or libelous by the Head of State or President may be ejected and banned at any time.
Misley wrote:I know plenty about your region. You're doing a great job at ingratiating yourself with "big names" in NS's GCRs and Gameplay, which is fine, but don't pretend that you have any sort of communist principles driving TCB or that TCB is a serious communist region.
by Cormac Stark » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:23 pm
Zenya wrote:Cormac, do you even know who our Founder is? Lol, you're just talking shit about me, not even caring enough to look and see that I didn't found TCB xD NICE!
by Zenya » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:26 pm
by Misley » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:33 pm
Zenya wrote:Misley wrote:I never invited you to a Red Fleet operation. You know that Anne Frank was a broad coalition of groups that will likely never work together again (UDL and Antifa, for example) and that we needed every single endorsement that came along on that last update. By the time I sent you a message, the cat was out of the bag with AF and I figured I'd see how serious you were about your goal to reconcile with the left.
Well at the time it seemed as if you wanted it both ways, to insult us and refuse our help, only to then come asking me if we could help you out. Sorry if thats not accurate, but the timing really made you look bad in my eyes.
Zenya wrote:Misley wrote:You've showed your resolve to carry out military operations against fascist targets, but you continue to allow Libertatem puppets to stay in your region (can't dip below that precious 500, I'm sure) and you've still got Condealism's incredibly dewy-eyed dispatch pinned to your WFE.
You keep asking me to do things that I am CONSTITUTIONALLY not allowed to bloody do, Misley. This isnt The Internationale or North Korea, I can't just toss people out on a whim. We have a judicial branch that deals with criminal offences and the only power the Constitution gives me on ejections is this:
Zenya wrote:We are a Republic. We have laws that I am not above and it is my job as President to not only enforce but defend them to the best of my ability. Are you requesting I just eject a certain group of people because people in a region 1/5th of our size doesn't like them? That is not how Republicanism works. We have wide liberties and freedoms and very specific laws that we have to follow. I cannot pick and choose.Misley wrote:I know plenty about your region. You're doing a great job at ingratiating yourself with "big names" in NS's GCRs and Gameplay, which is fine, but don't pretend that you have any sort of communist principles driving TCB or that TCB is a serious communist region.
TCB is and always has been a socialist/communist region. Us not conforming to your specific views does not change this fact.
by Cormac Stark » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:40 pm
Zenya wrote:Actually no, you've actually (as I pointed out) never even taken a look at our region. If you did, you'd realize we have a very good setup with very strict limitations on Presidential power, a very diverse region with people from all sides of the spectrum, an active legislative and judicial branch with checks and balances on one another, and a very loud and active opposition. You're simply wrong and you're upset that I pointed it out.
by Misley » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:43 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:You're nitpicking. Obviously, I'm referring to the region's foreign and military policies, and it's pretty clear that you are in fact in charge of them. I don't care if you have separation of powers, checks and balances, etc. Good for you, but that isn't the nature of the point I'm making. I'm not here to criticize your government or how it's structured, I'm criticizing the fact that you are driving external policy, and noting that leftist regions are right to keep their distance while that's the case. You are an imperialist dressed in red.
The proof is in the fact that you're working with Libertatem and The Communist Bloc has been engaging in raids not against the enemies of socialism, but against socialist regions. Other than the trappings of socialism, there is nothing particularly leftist about this region from the perspective of an outsider watching its external affairs.
by Zenya » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:52 pm
Misley wrote:Does your constitution forbid you from removing your trophy-embassy with CAPS, or from removing Condealism's moronic dispatch? Or are you just going to ignore those because you don't have a convenient "I'm not above the law" answer? Also, nice dig at TI and NK, but we don't "toss people out on a whim" in either region. I can't speak for North Korea, but The Internationale very simply doesn't give fascists or capitalists a platform. They're more than welcome to go to fascist or capitalist regions. Or TCB, apparently.
Misley wrote:I know plenty about your region. You're doing a great job at ingratiating yourself with "big names" in NS's GCRs and Gameplay, which is fine, but don't pretend that you have any sort of communist principles driving TCB or that TCB is a serious communist region.
Misley wrote:Again, another nice dig at TI, but I'm not interested in getting into a pissing contest over your region'sdick lengthpopulation size. (Besides, unless you're oddly referring to NK's population in a conversation with me, TI is not "1/5" your size.) I don't particularly care how big TCB gets -- that's not something I'm jealous of. The Internationale has a large broadly leftist community, and we stand in solidarity with our comrades on the left. It's great that you've created a republic with wide liberties and freedoms, but you've based those liberties and freedoms in liberalism, not in socialism. That's why the Left is saying you're not communist or socialist. It's not that you don't subscribe to the specific strain of leftism that we do (if that was the issue, you'd be getting different stories from TI, which is primarily anarchist, and NK, which is primarily Marxist-Leninist) -- it's that, as a region, TCB doesn't subscribe to socialism in its most basic forms. You might, and members of your region might, but TCB as a region is not communist. That's as obvious to any leftist as the fact that young Stalin was gorgeous.
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