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by North East Somerset » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:15 am
by Anime Daisuki » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:28 am
North East Somerset wrote:104 participated in the 2009 survey which is a fairly decent number. Kogvuron and CSP attempted to carry out another influence survey in 2013, but the results were never released due to lack of participation. Let that be a lesson that any survey should be *simple* to fill out and not take more than a couple of minutes to do!
by Cormac A Stark » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:05 am
Kogvuron wrote:If anyone wants to see the results of the 2013 influence survey, feel free to TG me and I can send you a link to the GDocs. I've given it out to a couple people.
by Unibot III » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:44 am
North East Somerset wrote:Ideological defenderism: 10KI, RLA & UDL.
Political defenderism: ADN & FRA.
Raiderism: "Farkers", DEN, LWU & TBH.
Imperialism: Atlantic Alliance, Gatesville & the UIAF.
Independence: GB&I, Equilism & Europeia.
Francoism: NPO.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Zybodia » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:52 am
Unibot III wrote:I think NES's list is pretty solid.
Unibot III wrote:10KI's influence is difficult to point down for me. It's not a well documented historical region and the era where it was least politically isolationist and most active interregionally, between Grub's absence and prior to Improving Wordiness, was an era of the game that is least documented. 07-09.
by Unibot III » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:58 am
Zybodia wrote:Unibot III wrote:I think NES's list is pretty solid.
I somehow completely missed that list after reading the paragraphs above it, but I agree that it is quite good. As Unibot was saying, the categories themselves could be poked, but I can't find myself disagreeing with the impact of any of the groups named.Unibot III wrote:10KI's influence is difficult to point down for me. It's not a well documented historical region and the era where it was least politically isolationist and most active interregionally, between Grub's absence and prior to Improving Wordiness, was an era of the game that is least documented. 07-09.
I thought that was their most isolationist time. Isn't that the era when XKI had no embassies?
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by DEC-LAND » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:02 am
by Zybodia » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:18 am
Unibot III wrote:I believe they cancelled the Triumvirate (between Heartland and Texas) at that time unexpectedly. I was more meaning militarily, TITO, in the absence of the RLA and the DSA, became quite influential and was at loggerheads with Sedgistan in the FRA.
by Mekhet » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:48 am
Zybodia wrote:Unibot III wrote:I believe they cancelled the Triumvirate (between Heartland and Texas) at that time unexpectedly. I was more meaning militarily, TITO, in the absence of the RLA and the DSA, became quite influential and was at loggerheads with Sedgistan in the FRA.
The Triumvirate was/is actually Texas, Wysteria, and The Heartland.
But the point about TITO and the FRA being the only real names in defending at that time is well taken.
by Unibot III » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:40 pm
Zybodia wrote:Unibot III wrote:I believe they cancelled the Triumvirate (between Heartland and Texas) at that time unexpectedly. I was more meaning militarily, TITO, in the absence of the RLA and the DSA, became quite influential and was at loggerheads with Sedgistan in the FRA.
The Triumvirate was/is actually Texas, Wysteria, and The Heartland.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Lavan Tiri » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:20 pm
Big Jim P wrote:I like the way you think.
Constaniana wrote:Ah, so you were dropped on your head. This explains a lot.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Snarky bastard.
The Grey Wolf wrote:You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:I'm not sure whether to laugh because thIs is the best satire I've ever seen or be very very afraid because someone actually thinks all this so.... have a cookie?
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by Goddess Relief Office » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:34 pm
Unibot III wrote:Right. I meant 10ki's closing of a treaty with Texas, not The Triumvirate, I guess.
Wordy wrote:Treaty with Texas was not closed as far as I know.
by Sichuan Pepper » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:54 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.
by Blackbird » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:31 pm
Unibot III wrote:The best defender leaders, in my opinion, are both extremely idealistic and extremely political. You've got to be able to pull a gymnastics routine on a tight-rope in two opposite extremes, while sipping a cup of tea.
by Unibot III » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:44 pm
Goddess Relief Office wrote:The turning point, if there was one, was Sedge/Marijuana Militia's affair in 2008. The internationalists among TITO were also burned by E-Army's decision to assist Lewis & Clark's coup in TNP, also in 2008. I think after these two events there's a realization that we can only depend on a very small circle of regions whose founders we know very well and could trust implicitly. Texas and AWP were two of those regions. The Texas-10KI treaty was re-activated in Jan 2009.
Blackbird wrote:Unibot III wrote:The best defender leaders, in my opinion, are both extremely idealistic and extremely political. You've got to be able to pull a gymnastics routine on a tight-rope in two opposite extremes, while sipping a cup of tea.
It wasn't very fun. Trying to deal with my comrades in both RLA and ADN mostly made both of them dislike me. *chuckles*
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Blackbird » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:54 pm
by Sichuan Pepper » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:25 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.
by Mekhet » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:30 pm
Sichuan Pepper wrote:Once again Unibot you twist events to suit yourself. TITO did in fact try very hard to work with UDL. The relationship withered over time while you were the leader and grew worse when you made the call to allow invaders into UDL and gave them leave to invade as long as they continued to support UDL. Hell on more than one occasion I saw them switch during update having invaded one region to then defend with UDL.
I could name numerous other factors that soured any chance of working with UDL but I fail to see why airing your dirty laundry here is beneficial.
You attacked TITO at every single chance and continue to do so now. It is beyond me why you do it other than ego on your part.
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by Unibot III » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:15 am
Sichuan Pepper wrote:The relationship withered over time while you were the leader and grew worse when you made the call to allow invaders into UDL and gave them leave to invade as long as they continued to support UDL.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Mekhet » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:41 am
Unibot III wrote:Sichuan Pepper wrote:The relationship withered over time while you were the leader and grew worse when you made the call to allow invaders into UDL and gave them leave to invade as long as they continued to support UDL.
A decision which was made by the Chiefs of Staff to try to ease the void of liberators left behind from the utter self-isolation of TITO. A decision which I personally sought to revoke less than a month later. A decision which reflects so poorly on you that invaders served as more active and cooperative defenders.
We didn't give anyone "leave" to invade, you gave people leave all of the time, however, in refusing to liberate most regions. Furthermore, you were very uncooperative well before your final statement, which declared the UDL an "invader" organization. At one point, you required all communication to go solely to Grub and had given us a blanket "no" to all requests for assistance.
Out of desperation to fill a pressing need for liberators (in the wake of your sheer stubbornness), we simply acted pragmatically and opened the organisation to more people to help liberate on a provisional basis, which is a lot different than not defending against them. You're accusing us of not defending against these invaders, but if anyone had not defended against them and refused to liberate against them it would have been you, out of some misguided idea that only "particular" regions matter and others can continue to rot under occupation with the hope that their suffering will help others.
I'm very proud of the UDL, the work we accomplished given the lack of cooperation in defenderdom and the people that made it all possible. Every region is important and every decision --no matter how small-- has consequences.
by Unibot III » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:36 am
Mekhet wrote: I remember the latest bullshit was when you freaked out over fendas not using #udl but another channel that UDL/LLA/Spiritus/FRA/RRA and other groups used. I could be incorrect on which fenda groups, so forgive any mistakes there. Shit like that doesn't win you "solidarity".
There's also plenty that's been stated by former UDL members that criticize many things. Of course you won't hear none of that from those like Mahaj, that just fall in line and lick the boots.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by South Pacific Belschaft » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:29 am
Sichuan Pepper wrote:grew worse when you made the call to allow invaders into UDL and gave them leave to invade as long as they continued to support UDL. Hell on more than one occasion I saw them switch during update having invaded one region to then defend with UDL.
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by Andacantra » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:44 am
Sichuan Pepper wrote:Hell on more than one occasion I saw them switch during update having invaded one region to then defend with UDL.
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