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Postby Apulita » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:44 pm

Looks like the warzones are hitting an inactive period.
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Postby Malviet » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:11 am

At this point, we should change the name to 'Peacezone'.

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Postby Ocaeania » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:56 pm

Hey! I'm somewhat of a structural theorist here on NS and the issue of population retainment problems in Warzones was recently brought to my attention. I thought it might be interesting to take a look and see if I didn't have an idea or two as to how it might be fixed.
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Postby Apulita » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:20 am

Ocaeania wrote:Hey! I'm somewhat of a structural theorist here on NS and the issue of population retainment problems in Warzones was recently brought to my attention. I thought it might be interesting to take a look and see if I didn't have an idea or two as to how it might be fixed.

You're welcome to look around, we're all happy to ask any questions you have. Feel free to hit me up about it if you want to discuss any implementation.
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Postby Warzone Codger » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:39 am

But there's news though!

Airspace thought it was smart and didn't listen to me when I told them to start backing The Salaxalans over Fiermont.

They vastly underestimated my (and many others) puppet army, so Salax took the 5th spot from Fiermont...

I always have Airspace's best interests at heart, even when they don't know it. :P
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Postby Orange Peel Juice » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:37 am

Oh Codger, always doing good work.

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Postby Tim Stark » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:01 am

Warzone Codger wrote:But there's news though!

Airspace thought it was smart and didn't listen to me when I told them to start backing The Salaxalans over Fiermont.

They vastly underestimated my (and many others) puppet army, so Salax took the 5th spot from Fiermont...

I always have Airspace's best interests at heart, even when they don't know it. :P

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Postby Ocaeania » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:01 am

How would you feel about turning the Warzones back into a warzone? with proper preparations, of course. Defense systems set up and what not. I feel as though this would be more effective than any other attempts to revitalize. I've got a few half-baked plans floating around in my head since I started thinking about it this morning. I think we could really do something with this.
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Postby New Perotasoa » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:46 am

Ocaeania wrote:How would you feel about turning the Warzones back into a warzone? with proper preparations, of course. Defense systems set up and what not. I feel as though this would be more effective than any other attempts to revitalize. I've got a few half-baked plans floating around in my head since I started thinking about it this morning. I think we could really do something with this.


This is definitely a good idea. I think we have come to believe that the best for the Warzones would be to occupy them and try to make them like a normal region. If we want real activity, we must come up with unique ways.

Ocaeania, I invite you to work with WZAF to achieve radical ideas for regional growth. We will be 100% supportive.

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Postby Apulita » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:57 pm

Ocaeania wrote:How would you feel about turning the Warzones back into a warzone? with proper preparations, of course. Defense systems set up and what not. I feel as though this would be more effective than any other attempts to revitalize. I've got a few half-baked plans floating around in my head since I started thinking about it this morning. I think we could really do something with this.

As mentioned before, you're welcome to contact me at any point with your concepts and possible implementation.
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Postby Malviet » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:54 am

Warzone Codger wrote:But there's news though!

Airspace thought it was smart and didn't listen to me when I told them to start backing The Salaxalans over Fiermont.

They vastly underestimated my (and many others) puppet army, so Salax took the 5th spot from Fiermont...

I always have Airspace's best interests at heart, even when they don't know it. :P

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Postby Ocaeania » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:14 am

Right. Sorry for the delay, super busy past three days. So little sleep. I'll get to working on it once I get through this bad part of the week. Probably Thursday, which I'm just realizing is tomorrow.
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Postby Malviet » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:33 am

Apulita wrote:
Ocaeania wrote:How would you feel about turning the Warzones back into a warzone? with proper preparations, of course. Defense systems set up and what not. I feel as though this would be more effective than any other attempts to revitalize. I've got a few half-baked plans floating around in my head since I started thinking about it this morning. I think we could really do something with this.

As mentioned before, you're welcome to contact me at any point with your concepts and possible implementation.

Same here; do contact me with your plans. And please do note that if you attempt to harm our inter-warzonic relationships or the security of our regimes, then I assure you on behalf of all 6 warzones that we will hunt ya down till the day we CTE.

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Postby Gatito » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:39 am

Ocaeania wrote:How would you feel about turning the Warzones back into a warzone? with proper preparations, of course. Defense systems set up and what not. I feel as though this would be more effective than any other attempts to revitalize. I've got a few half-baked plans floating around in my head since I started thinking about it this morning. I think we could really do something with this.

Throughout my time here I have observed that the Warzones have deviated from their origins purpose. Really, I don't believe that there should even be native governments in them. They should be a place for regions to compete for control over, not one for people to establish homes in. We need to make the Warzones into actual Warzones.
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Postby North Campbell Nation » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:10 am

Gatito wrote:
Ocaeania wrote:How would you feel about turning the Warzones back into a warzone? with proper preparations, of course. Defense systems set up and what not. I feel as though this would be more effective than any other attempts to revitalize. I've got a few half-baked plans floating around in my head since I started thinking about it this morning. I think we could really do something with this.

Throughout my time here I have observed that the Warzones have deviated from their origins purpose. Really, I don't believe that there should even be native governments in them. They should be a place for regions to compete for control over, not one for people to establish homes in. We need to make the Warzones into actual Warzones.


One could argue that the Warzones are in fact still contested, and that the "native" governments are simply winning. Admittedly, the diplomatic and historical claim to "legitimacy" helps considerably in gaining allies and deterring attacks, but that's just politics.

Besides that, most of the "hardcore" R/D people have little interest in the Warzones. Raiders have little interest in them because they can't be refounded (eliminating any reward for occupation), and tag raids are of limited value because you already have native groups ready to erase them immediately. Without natives, defenders have no reason to intervene. Even the classic "training exercises" are reduced in value because of the altered mechanics.

The way I see it, it's really just a matter of mechanical incentives. Though I'd be interested in hearing potential "solutions".
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Postby Etoarmaapitm » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:30 pm

I would also like to note that the existence of our governments and communities do add more value to go after Warzones than without them...for the most part...

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Postby Gatito » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:02 pm

Etoarmaapitm wrote:I would also like to note that the existence of our governments and communities do add more value to go after Warzones than without them...for the most part...

It just seems odd to me that stability has been reached in regions that were seemingly created with the intention of being unstable. The problem is that there's nothing to spur said instability.
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Postby Ocaeania » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:37 pm

Hey, do the leaders of their respective regions have Skype/access to discordapp.com? I think it's be best if we were all able to discuss in a more private area.
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Postby District XIV » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:38 pm

Ocaeania wrote:Hey, do the leaders of their respective regions have Skype/access to discordapp.com? I think it's be best if we were all able to discuss in a more private area.

Vice-Chairman of Warzone Asia here. I have access to Skype and Discord.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:42 pm

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Ocaeania wrote:Hey, do the leaders of their respective regions have Skype/access to discordapp.com? I think it's be best if we were all able to discuss in a more private area.

Vice-Chairman of Warzone Asia here. I have access to Skype and Discord.

How's that refound of Panem coming along?

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Postby Apulita » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:44 pm

Gatito wrote:
Etoarmaapitm wrote:I would also like to note that the existence of our governments and communities do add more value to go after Warzones than without them...for the most part...

It just seems odd to me that stability has been reached in regions that were seemingly created with the intention of being unstable. The problem is that there's nothing to spur said instability.

There have been plenty of things to spur instability, like the regions of Esamir and the Liberators of NS who tried to take over all warzones, or like the Association of Imperialism which toppled a regime because it's leader didn't like them. The reason there has been "stability" in some of the warzones simply derives from the fact that dedicated and powerful raiders don't generally care about the Warzones, and the fact that through active military and diplomatic methods, the "native" governments of the Warzones have been capable of keeping power.

We're not denying the Warzones' expressed purpose of being tougher to hold thanks to unique mechanics, and explicitly gameplay regions where all invasions are justified. People are totally allowed to try to topple our regimes, we wouldn't complain that it's not fair. We'd get to work on taking it back.

Ocaeania wrote:Hey, do the leaders of their respective regions have Skype/access to discordapp.com? I think it's be best if we were all able to discuss in a more private area.

I'm on Discord under the same name. It's probably easiest to find me through the WZEU discord channel, it's on our WFE. :)
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Postby Malviet » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:57 am

Ocaeania wrote:Hey, do the leaders of their respective regions have Skype/access to discordapp.com? I think it's be best if we were all able to discuss in a more private area.

I have access to Discord; you will find me in either Airspace's or Europe's server.

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Postby Malviet » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:57 am

Hey guys! I am speaking to you as Foreign Affairs Minister of the West Pacific.

TWP has decided to dedicate a week to Autism Awareness.

To do so, we will be Painting our WFE blue, and promoting dispatches with information and linking to Autism Awareness pages around the web.

The actually Autism Awareness Day was last April 2nd, and since we missed it, we were thinking of doing a full week, as of this coming Monday.

I'll be bringing more details these comming days, but we would love as many regions as possible to join us.

Please ask should you have any question!

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Postby Etoarmaapitm » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:46 pm

I'm mainly on WZEU's and WZAS's (Warzone Airspace) Discord. However I really do hate it and much prefer IRC.

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Postby Warzone Codger » Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:15 am

North Campbell Nation wrote:The way I see it, it's really just a matter of mechanical incentives. Though I'd be interested in hearing potential "solutions".


Try this 5 year old thread for starters. Warzones - Dull to Dandy. It was the last serious push for technical suggestions to make Warzones more attractive. (You'll also find some evidence of when I was active!)
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