who is the bad guy? - split from neutral ground

[Port blood]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=193670&start=700#p19657747


this proposal is a exact mindset of a LOT of defenders/natives

"stop it or we will destroy you",luckily stupid people can't do much against founder/non-exec,but lets not forget forum destruction


I ask you,who here is the bad guy when defenders destroy forums? the cultural hub for raiders

I ask you,who here is the bad guy when defenders destroy forums? the cultural hub for raiders

The bad guy is whoever destroys the forum, regardless of the side they're on.

What the heck does that proposal have to do with Forum destruction?

...did you even read my post?

defenders want to DESTROY raiders,as exampled in the proposal,but regions can't be disbanded due to founders/non-exec,so they destroy forums instead

Everyone knows the central hub for invaders is IRC.

Once again,READ

"cultural hub"

The bad guy is whoever destroys the forum, regardless of the side they're on.

I made my point.
Stop defender moral superiority! they are no better then raiders! we are all human beings!

What point is that, exactly? I'm certain you're not trying to claim that forum destruction is limited to one side of R/D.

Thats my point as well,raiders are equal to defenders and vise versa
raiders are not better,nor are defenders

What?
That proposal did not even mention forum destruction...you did. I do not know why the hell you made that jump other than to take a piss weak shot at defenders.

I can't say i expected better from someone from XKI
The proposal is NOT the central thing here,the central point here is defenders attitude

"stop it or we will destroy you"
point:a lot of defenders have this attitude
"can't do much against founder/non-exec"
point:disbanding raider regions isn't a option due to active founders,same goes for defender regions
"but lets not forget forum destruction"
point:forum destruction is possible,and has happened
"I ask you,who here is the bad guy"
point:sparking a discussion
"defenders destroy forums?"
point:defender have done so in the past
" the cultural hub for raiders"
point:RP has the NS forums as their cultural hub,and R/D mainly has off-site forums and the RMB of their regions as their cultural thing


So how about you stop argumentum ad hominem and respond to my argument? how would you feel if the XKI forums were destroyed by raiders?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H3o8r7JgGY

Read the RMB of any region once invaded....smug all over it.

argumentum ad hominem

But lets review Anarchy,a invasion still ongoing
\http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=6000999
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5999622
native correcting punctuation and grammar

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5944846
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5993300
http://www.nationstates.net/page=boneya ... i_raideron
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=retu ... i_raideron
seriously stupid attempt to troll

Keep in mind raiders were in conversation about Palm Sunday while those posts were make,heck even a bit more back the natives admit flamebaiting

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5954182

What really occurs is that a few Anarchist nations enjoy some invader baiting

See?

oh,and another thing

There have been some funny duck related moments,one of which came to a sudden end when the raiders complained to the mods they were being laughed at by us nasty natives. Some raiders have bordered on verbal abuse, though admittedly they have usually ceased when asked to.

Raiders had to complain about several puppetmasters seriously trolling,which moderation agreed on and remove said puppets/placed warnings

And this is just a FRACTION of what the natives do,so who here is to blame?

*looks at the Soviet Bloc and Hogwarts* Hmmm yes I see. Meaningful discussion and RP...*nods* I shall learn the ways of smugness o great Wordy.

*looks at regions raided by the Cat Burglars* Yes yes I see what you mean. The smugness practically oozes from them.

I only ever give my thoughts when ever a thread veers towards a discussion of 'what could be done to make raiders feel the same pain as those they inflict'. Its not like I bring it up out of nothing!

But when it comes down to it really, what i object to is a certain smugness raiders have that they can inflict things on others knowing nothing could be done against them.

The only real deterrent is something with consequences so serious that they'll actually think twice about doing it.

And you have no objection to the smugness of defenders with their morals?

If you want to "let raiders feel the same pain",go hit their regions,forum destruction is on a whole other level

I only ever give my thoughts when ever a thread veers towards a discussion of 'what could be done to make raiders feel the same pain as those they inflict'. Its not like I bring it up out of nothing!

But when it comes down to it really, what i object to is a certain smugness raiders have that they can inflict things on others knowing nothing could be done against them.

The only real deterrent is something with consequences so serious that they'll actually think twice about doing it.

Edit: I only speak for myself

Edit 2: I accepted the consequences of my opinions. My relationships in this game will never be as close as some others because there are some RL things I won't reveal/opportunities to be abused in this game.

Any of my region will only ever reach a certain size because I don't like using offsite forums.

I don't see that smugness in raiders to be honest...Most raiders know of/have had forums destroyed on them. When you wage war shit gets blown up. *shrugs*

If i missed any,please point them out and ill edit them in

Anyways,why are defenders morally superior (I'm talking about those that think they are) when they stoop so low as to destroy the cultural hub of raiders - culture being something they are sworn to protect

[Zaolat]

You're over blowing shit Port.

[SFBA Campinia]

1 not every defender is a moral defender
2 not every moral defender is a forum destroyer
3 not every forum destroyer is a defender

And 4 nobody gives a crap about your crusade against defenders so give it a rest

[Port blood]

You're over blowing shit Port.

Am I? I'm making a point here in general;using forum destruction as a example - everyone here is a human being and nobody is superior to anyone else

As SFBA Campinia crudely pointed out;not all defenders are moralistic,I know that because I admire LRI for it's efforts to change R/D to something more fun
I'm not leading a crusade against defenders,I'm arguing against people that feel superior to others;AKA moralistic defenders that feel superior to raiders,a crusade would be a heck of a lot more bloody

[Improving Wordiness]

Oh yeah this will go well.

[Kyuji]

Overly aggressive raiders and overly moralistic defenders

[Fratt]

Good guy or bad guy, I will mistreat you anyway.

[Port blood]

Oh yeah this will go well.

Seems you don't dare to actually give actual arguments,because you know they won't hold up

[Drop Your Pants]

I'm not leading a crusade against defenders,I'm arguing against people that feel superior to others;AKA moralistic defenders that feel superior to raiders,a crusade would be a heck of a lot more bloody

So you'll be arguing against raiders too?

[Port blood]

I'm not leading a crusade against defenders,I'm arguing against people that feel superior to others;AKA moralistic defenders that feel superior to raiders,a crusade would be a heck of a lot more bloody

So you'll be arguing against raiders too?

Actually,yes
But where are those raiders? I sure as hell haven't seen any,but if you see any feel free to point them out and their comments

[Coraxion]

PB. Please Contact me if you ever want some action. You are badass enough to be good Fella for our sinister purposes. You can continue your retirement days anyway maintaining your semi-rogue individuality...

[The Grim Reaper]

So you'll be arguing against raiders too?

Actually,yes
But where are those raiders? I sure as hell haven't seen any,but if you see any feel free to point them out and their comments

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=292329

[Port blood]

Actually,yes
But where are those raiders? I sure as hell haven't seen any,but if you see any feel free to point them out and their comments

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=292329

Oh haha,so funny

But i suppose you are correct in a sense,I find people that feel superior to others inferior to normal people

[Alyekra]

Anyways,why are defenders morally superior (I'm talking about those that think they are) when they stoop so low as to destroy the cultural hub of raiders - culture being something they are sworn to protect

So far I believe you have only quoted disenfranchised natives. Give me an example of a moralist defender advocating this and we can talk.

[SFBA Campinia]

The funniest part is that you are posting your anti-defender tripe from a nation residing in an FRA region

[Festavo]

The bad guy is the bad guy

[the Imperial Crown]

Who is the bad guy?



Sauron obvs. I don't know if we have a Voldemort active in NS but he'd definitely be on the list.

Port, you are going all over the track.

[Alyekra]

The bad guy is the bad guy

We have a winner.

[Port blood]

Anyways,why are defenders morally superior (I'm talking about those that think they are) when they stoop so low as to destroy the cultural hub of raiders - culture being something they are sworn to protect

So far I believe you have only quoted disenfranchised natives. Give me an example of a moralist defender advocating this and we can talk.

...that was in response to this post:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=147218&start=2225#p19663998

Completely unrelated to my point


I try to have a actual discussion here,yet people like you and Improving Wordiness do nothing but troll and annoy me without giving a actual argument


If it wasn't clear yet:
WHY DO SOME DEFENDERS THINK THEY ARE SUPERIOR

the whole forum destruction thing is JUST A EXAMPLE,i could have just as well have mentioned the grey area insults for example

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The funniest part is that you are posting your anti-defender tripe from a nation residing in an FRA region

You mean the FRA that barely even has contact with us?

[Dremaur]

Port, let me hand it to you. In the end when all is said and done, this is a game. Morality has nothing to do with it. You see, I raid for fun, and those who actually have the mindset that theirs a good or wrong is blowing it out of proportion.

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

The bad guy is the bad guy

Yes, that's it. *nods*

[Nephmir]

Some Defenders think they are superior because they are fighting for the "greater good". And for the less moral ones, they believe that they are morally superior because they are the protectors, rather than the "prosecutors", if you will.

[Benevolent Thomas]

We should destroy the invaders just as they have destroyed the communities of countless innocent regions.

There's your quote. Will you please shut the hell up now?

[Nephmir]

We should destroy the invaders just as they have destroyed the communities of countless innocent regions.

There's your quote. Will you please shut the hell up now?

There's no need for that. He is raising a valid point.

[Benevolent Thomas]

We should destroy the invaders just as they have destroyed the communities of countless innocent regions.

There's your quote. Will you please shut the hell up now?

There's no need for that. He is raising a valid point.

If the point is that he's an insufferable annoyance, then yes, he has. He's been asked repeatedly to provide evidence of a defender calling for the destruction of invaders (rather than rightfully disgruntled natives of invaded regions) and he has failed to thus far. Honestly, we should stop debating him and just prove all of his points right so he can stop moaning in every thread: Invaders are evil. I am better than invaders because I preserve rather than destroy. If administrating NS was a democratic process, there would be no invading and therefore no defending as well and I'd support that. If you want to be liked, then you should not destroy what others have worked so hard to build. yada yada...