The Black Riders - The Elite Cavalry of NationStates

[Unibot III]

Christ, the invaders are scraping the barrel for propaganda this time.

Glad I used to give them more to chew when I was Chief, because I can tell you right now there was a lot of nights where I asked people to come online to do stuff and things just didn't come together for whatever reason. People are busy. People have lives.

Furthermore, we did do something last night - so yeah, good on you for slinging mud aimlessly and hoping it sticks.

[Venico]

They were expecting resistance...they didn't get it. Woooh, such propaganda.

[RiderSyl]

Slapping the word "propaganda" on anything depreciates the word, Unicorn.

[Iron Confederation]

I don't really see what you guys accomplish by barging into a region, setting up a Delegate for a couple hours, and then leaving. Gloating rights? It doesn't even take that much time to undo the damage.

Feel free to come invade next time I drop the password though. Should be a couple weeks.

[Venico]

I don't really see what you guys accomplish by barging into a region, setting up a Delegate for a couple hours, and then leaving. Gloating rights? It doesn't even take that much time to undo the damage.

Feel free to come invade next time I drop the password though. Should be a couple weeks.

Tagging is probably the most efficient way to train an update force. It also allows you to have a lot of fun and put your flag up over a lot of regions. I compare it to a montage or a highlight reel. You get to experience all the action packed bits all at once. Does it require as much tactics or attention as an occupation? Nope. But that doesn't mean you don't have one fun ass update.

[Iron Confederation]

I suppose so. And it is rather thrilling for me to wake up, seize control of the region again, and ban the stragglers who didn't flee the region already.

Perhaps next time we can sit down and have a chat the next time you guys decide to barge in?

[Havl]

I don't really see what you guys accomplish by barging into a region, setting up a Delegate for a couple hours, and then leaving. Gloating rights? It doesn't even take that much time to undo the damage.

Feel free to come invade next time I drop the password though. Should be a couple weeks.

Tagging is probably the most efficient way to train an update force. It also allows you to have a lot of fun and put your flag up over a lot of regions. I compare it to a montage or a highlight reel. You get to experience all the action packed bits all at once. Does it require as much tactics or attention as an occupation? Nope. But that doesn't mean you don't have one fun ass update.

What's an "ass update"?

[Babble On]

Tagging is probably the most efficient way to train an update force. It also allows you to have a lot of fun and put your flag up over a lot of regions. I compare it to a montage or a highlight reel. You get to experience all the action packed bits all at once. Does it require as much tactics or attention as an occupation? Nope. But that doesn't mean you don't have one fun ass update.

What's an "ass update"?

When a girl walks in with an itty-bitty waist, and a round thing in your face.

[Crumlark]

All righty, I'll be that guy: Why?

Defenders spent a certain amount of time (maybe 2 weeks? I don't rememember) holding the delegacy and passwording it. I'm still waiting the day Darwin allied republics cte

So, what happens when you have taken all the cleverly named regions? Surely you will give such names back to the general population at some point, especially ones of such significance to some, right?

[Alyekra]

Defenders spent a certain amount of time (maybe 2 weeks? I don't rememember) holding the delegacy and passwording it. I'm still waiting the day Darwin allied republics cte :)

So, what happens when you have taken all the cleverly named regions? Surely you will give such names back to the general population at some point, especially ones of such significance to some, right?

lulz

[Crumlark]

So, what happens when you have taken all the cleverly named regions? Surely you will give such names back to the general population at some point, especially ones of such significance to some, right?

lulz

I mean... why not? The alternative is holding onto all of them like a miser until the end of days, or until someone else tries to haxxor the regional password out of lack of absolutely anything else to do in Gameplay [by the time of the end of days].

[RiderSyl]

I mean... why not? The alternative is holding onto all of them like a miser until the end of days, or until someone else tries to haxxor the regional password out of lack of absolutely anything else to do in Gameplay [by the time of the end of days].

Good idea. Tell Nephmir to give up the 'The Eternal Knights' region. Its name is too clever for its current occupants.

[Feuer Ritter]

I don't really see what you guys accomplish by barging into a region, setting up a Delegate for a couple hours, and then leaving. Gloating rights? It doesn't even take that much time to undo the damage.

Feel free to come invade next time I drop the password though. Should be a couple weeks.

Tagging is probably the most efficient way to train an update force. It also allows you to have a lot of fun and put your flag up over a lot of regions. I compare it to a montage or a highlight reel. You get to experience all the action packed bits all at once. Does it require as much tactics or attention as an occupation? Nope. But that doesn't mean you don't have one fun ass update.

Try doing feints and decoys when fendas are following you during update. Yes it requires tactics and attention. The only difference is that you don't care if you loose a tag, while if you fail to raid an important target or fail do defend it right against liberations you do care.

[Venico]

I'm sorry, it doesn't require the same level of tactics and attention as an occupation. It's fun practice for the real event and is good training.

VeniEdit: And yes I have tried feints on both high risk occupations (I want to say Onder first showed that to me when we took Ireland? Maybe it was Jakker) and tags. That doesn't mean that you have to be calculating influence and how much support you'll be getting. You don't have to have someone on, who you trust with your nation and who has good reflexes, every update. While the battlefield tactics we use for tags are useful, they are not on the same level as occupation tactics, nor should they be. It's a high value target vs. a worthless one.

[Drop Your Pants]

They were expecting resistance...they didn't get it. Woooh, such propaganda.

I was going to give TBR resistance this update but they stopped when my WA was free

[Venico]

I'm sorry DYP :/ *rubs your wool* Maybe next update. Any fresh faces you training against TBR?

[Coraxion]

They were expecting resistance...they didn't get it. Woooh, such propaganda.

I was going to give TBR resistance this update but they stopped when my WA was free

Sorry about that DYP.

We had some tech problems and Cora was suffering Hangover. Raid ended on 38 minutes. 16 hits and 1 non-exec. No fendas.

[Port blood]

Oh, certainly. Our inactivity is disappointing at best. What's worse is that you raiders seem to care more about this than we do. It's downright unacceptable.

This does not excuse saying we claimed something that we didn't.

See it like this,they want some real enemies;compare it to CoD without enemy players or CIV without other empires
It's a tad boring (and completely boring if there weren't any natives to talk to)

5: Even so, I'm pretty sure leaked chatlogs are non-binding.

Define "leaked" because anyone can get into your IRC channel (and yes,i tried to confirm this)

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Christ, the invaders are scraping the barrel for propaganda this time.

Glad I used to give them more to chew when I was Chief, because I can tell you right now there was a lot of nights where I asked people to come online to do stuff and things just didn't come together for whatever reason. People are busy. People have lives.

Furthermore, we did do something last night - so yeah, good on you for slinging mud aimlessly and hoping it sticks.

At least it's better then a self-righteous defender that jumps into a thread making statements,then never responds to the counter-arguments
(you seem to like to do that)

I'm sorry, it doesn't require the same level of tactics and attention as an occupation. It's fun practice for the real event and is good training.

VeniEdit: And yes I have tried feints on both high risk occupations (I want to say Onder first showed that to me when we took Ireland? Maybe it was Jakker) and tags. That doesn't mean that you have to be calculating influence and how much support you'll be getting. You don't have to have someone on, who you trust with your nation and who has good reflexes, every update. While the battlefield tactics we use for tags are useful, they are not on the same level as occupation tactics, nor should they be. It's a high value target vs. a worthless one.

When was the last time actual stealth and tactics were used? seems lately that it's not used (/not needed)

[Cormacville]

When was the last time actual stealth and tactics were used? seems lately that it's not used (/not needed)

It's not that it's unneeded, it's that it's impossible. With the Activity page and other defender technology they literally can't fail to spot even the cleanest of puppets moving to a target region, which makes speed now the only way for raiders to win -- assuming defenders are defending, anyway.

This is also why tag raiding has become more popular than other forms of raiding. Admins have increasingly made speed, not stealth, not only the best raiding tactic but the only viable raiding tactic. Naturally raids that emphasize speed, tag raids, are going to become more popular in this R/D atmosphere that admins have created.

[Alyekra]

Oh, certainly. Our inactivity is disappointing at best. What's worse is that you raiders seem to care more about this than we do. It's downright unacceptable.

This does not excuse saying we claimed something that we didn't.

See it like this,they want some real enemies;compare it to CoD without enemy players or CIV without other empires
It's a tad boring (and completely boring if there weren't any natives to talk to)

The Joker without Batman?

[Feuer Ritter]

See it like this,they want some real enemies;compare it to CoD without enemy players or CIV without other empires
It's a tad boring (and completely boring if there weren't any natives to talk to)

The Joker without Batman?

No, Batman without the Joker

[Feuer Ritter]

When was the last time actual stealth and tactics were used? seems lately that it's not used (/not needed)

It's not that it's unneeded, it's that it's impossible. With the Activity page and other defender technology they literally can't fail to spot even the cleanest of puppets moving to a target region, which makes speed now the only way for raiders to win -- assuming defenders are defending, anyway.

This is also why tag raiding has become more popular than other forms of raiding. Admins have increasingly made speed, not stealth, not only the best raiding tactic but the only viable raiding tactic. Naturally raids that emphasize speed, tag raids, are going to become more popular in this R/D atmosphere that admins have created.

It's not impossible, stealth can still be used efficiently. The thing is that it's nod really needed now when we can gather enough forces to use brute force rather than subterfuge. No need to complicate things if that isn't necessary.

[Bob Moran]

If by stealth you mean capturing a target at update unseen, then yes, I've never seen it happen..damn activity page. It's limited to successful sleeper operations now (maybe those with a password are the most ''stealthy'' ones).

[Drop Your Pants]

I'm sorry DYP :/ *rubs your wool* Maybe next update. Any fresh faces you training against TBR?

Still training the old faces

Sorry about that DYP.

We had some tech problems and Cora was suffering Hangover. Raid ended on 38 minutes. 16 hits and 1 non-exec. No fendas.

Your not the only ones who had tech problems

[Venico]

Port, tactics doesn't necessarily mean stealth. It means choosing the right target, making a clean sleeper to gather influence. Asking the right people that you'll have support during and after update, but not asking everyone so a spy gets a hold of it. Planting the proper triggers to get the most accurate read possible, and also giving you a warning time if necessary (If you have more than 15 updaters you probably need a ready/warn). If you see defender activity you use a feint (if you can spare the endos). Another fun one is running an unendo campaign on the native delegate. This slows down their influence growth and also allows you a little room for error at update. And this is just the basics Port.

Also stealth IS still a viable option at update because the activity page has enough lag on it (Still trying to pin it down, I've been running tests during Majors) that a bunch of cleans who aren't dossiered will grab the delegacy without an issue. The days of stealth raiding for a few updates are over though because anyone looking at the activity log will see a number of nations moving to X. You can still try a slow coup by moving your troops in over weeks but that's as slow as molasses. One person choosing to go immobile for a sleeper op is rough enough but tying up a significant portion of your forces with a sleeper op is even worse.

Now if you want tips on how to hold a GCR against liberation... =P Just kidding, I don't have enough time, nor do I want to really. But if you ever nab a GCR delegacy Port, come to me. =P