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by Whiskum » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:37 pm
Vaculatestar64 wrote:Or we could all just move on.
by Solorni » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:54 pm
by Whiskum » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:55 am
Solorni wrote:Onderkelkia is the Bruce Lee of debates. Yes, he might not always be winning in the fight. But he's going to outlast his opponents. Or maybe he's just a mountain.
by Zaolat » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:28 am
Whiskum wrote:Solorni wrote:Onderkelkia is the Bruce Lee of debates. Yes, he might not always be winning in the fight. But he's going to outlast his opponents. Or maybe he's just a mountain.
It is not a matter of seeking to 'outlast' any opponents.
It is very simply a matter of willingness to justify and defend one's own position, and in turn to substantively engage with the contrary arguments.
Slavia, in particular one member, has pursued a crusade in an effort to avoid coming to terms with its legal status in the FRA at the time of the raid.
In doing so, Slavia has presented arguments, including now well after the event. We have every right to refute those arguments and we have done so.
If people are uninterested in that discussion, then that is also understandable, but I accept no criticism or caricature for responding to his attacks.
by The North Polish Union » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:49 am
Zaolat wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:The FRA removed Slavia from their membership roll several hours before Slavia's second statement of withdrawal, in doing so, they implicitly recognized Slavia's withdrawal as valid. This means that Slavia had not been an FRA member since December 24, and not January 3 as the UIAF would like to think.
This is indeed open and shut on an objective examination, but the facts would seem to disagree with the UIAF's desired version of the situation.
Therefore, I exhort the LKE, and the UIAF as a whole, to be more diligent in fact-checking when writing their news updates, lest they misattribute FRA membership to a region and then continue to perpetuate such non-facts for months afterwards.
As a result of this egregious fact-checking problem, I repeat my previous statement:
And if Slavia had really signed away every last shred of respectability as you say, I doubt that such a respectable person as you would debase yourself to the point of writing essay-length replies to us, eh?
Fucking again? Really? You know you're wrong, get over it.
Whiskum wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:The FRA removed Slavia from their membership roll several hours before Slavia's second statement of withdrawal, in doing so, they implicitly recognized Slavia's withdrawal as valid. This means that Slavia had not been an FRA member since December 24, and not January 3 as the UIAF would like to think.
They were reacting to the fact that the region had just been invaded by the United Imperial Armed Forces - that is what triggered any removal.
You are arguing that the FRA removing Slavia from its membership rolls after the invasion means Slavia was not an FRA member at the time of the raid.
Whiskum wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:This is indeed open and shut on an objective examination, but the facts would seem to disagree with the UIAF's desired version of the situation.
You have selected a piece of tangential evidence about the timing of an edit to a post which happened after the invasion and are from that trying to attach a whole load of motives to the FRA - imputed motives which run contrary to how they responded to the second statement, as Karputsk replied:You are no longer a FRA member-region as you have followed the procedure outlined in the Charter. Specifically, a Regional Assembly member of the region that wishes to withdraw will announce the regions intention to leave in the Regional Assembly.
Quite clearly that shows the FRA as recognising the second statement, in accordance with the Charter - and made after the UIAF invasion of Slavia.
Whiskum wrote:As it happens, the entire issue of precisely when the FRA membership list was edited post-raid and why is irrelevant to the argument we have made.
Whiskum wrote:Both Slavia and the FRA are bound by the FRA Charter, which makes very clear that resignations must go 'directly to the Regional Assembly'.
No such resignation came until after the invasion and, after the invalid statement, Slavia's representative told the FRA that Slavia was a member.
Whiskum wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:Therefore, I exhort the LKE, and the UIAF as a whole, to be more diligent in fact-checking when writing their news updates, lest they misattribute FRA membership to a region and then continue to perpetuate such non-facts for months afterwards.
The one 'fact' you are pinning your hopes on occurred after the invasion.
How, before our invasion took place, could we have checked the fact of the FRA editing their membership list in reaction to our invasion?
We cannot fast forward in time.
Whiskum wrote:The reason, of course, why we are going over Slavia, and indeed Lazarus also again above, is because detractors have each selected a single line of the update, and proceeded to make snide and factually inaccurate observations. Naturally, if people raise arguments, however spurious, we address them.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Zaolat » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:13 am
by Whiskum » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:18 am
The North Polish Union wrote:If I was wrong, I'd have stopped long ago. But I'm not going to let slanderous inaccuracies about my region be published in news updates without contesting them.
The North Polish Union wrote:I doubt the fact that Slavia was raided was the immediate reason that Slavia's FRA membership was removed. There are several reasons for this. The first is that the FRA has not removed other member regions simply for being raided. Neither TRR or Soviet Union was immediately removed from the FRA at the moment they were raided as a result of the raid.
The second is that the FRA would not have recognized the UIAF's actions in Slavia as representative of the populace of Slavia and their wishes; had the populace of Slavia wished to remain in the FRA after the raid, Slavia. or its placeholder region, would have been listed as an FRA member.
The third is that the UIAF did not post a statement of withdrawal, complying with the FRA Charter, on behalf of Slavia on the FRA's forums. Had Slavia truly been an FRA member at the time of the raid, such an action would have been vital in order to truly withdraw it from the FRA. You cannot simply say that the UIAF's presence in a region nullifies that regions FRA membership regardless of the rest of the population of said region's views on the FRA.
The North Polish Union wrote:Slavia was removed from the FRA's membership list several hours prior to when the second statement of resignation was posted and Karputsk's post were made. In removing us prior to our "official" withdrawal, the FRA implicitly recognized our statement of December 24 as legal and binding, regardless of its compliance with the FRA Charter. This means that the fault lies entirely with the FRA, and not with Slavia, for Slavia's continued presence on the FRA's member list as of January 3.
The North Polish Union wrote:How so?
The North Polish Union wrote:As explained above, in removing us prior to our "official" withdrawal, the FRA implicitly recognized our statement of December 24 as legal and binding, regardless of its compliance with the FRA Charter. This means that the fault lies entirely with the FRA, and not with Slavia, for Slavia's continued presence on the FRA's member list as of January 3.
The North Polish Union wrote:Moreover, it is absurd for the UIAF to state that a region which the FRA did not consider an FRA member (as evidenced by their acceptance of our December 24 withdrawal) as an FRA member. It is, in fact, grasping at straws in order to attempt to make some justification for the raid and to maintain respectability when it has been irrefutably demonstrated that the UIAF's desired view of the situation was and is incorrect.
The North Polish Union wrote:Indeed, and this means that the fault lies with the FRA for their lack of promptitude in removing Slavia.
The fact remains that once the true facts of the situation became more widely known, the UIAF should have modified their stance on the situation to reflect those facts, rather than dogmatically clinging to that story that they've used from day one, regardless of that story's blatant and demonstrable factual inaccuracies.
The North Polish Union wrote:Whether these observations are snide or not is irrelevant, but what is relevant is the factual accuracy of such statements.
I am not familiar enough with Lazarus to give any opinion ass to the accuracies of their statements, nut in the case of Slavia, the statements made by us "detractors", no matter how snide, are factually accurate, as has been repeatedly demonstrated to the UIAf on numerous occasions.
by Charles Cerebella » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:48 am
by Consular » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:49 am
by The LKE Embassy » Sat May 17, 2014 8:36 am
I am pleased to announce the appointment of Viktoria Gryfynn as Princess of The Land of Kings and Emperors, and Archduchess of Vienna, as part of the Imperial Family. In this capacity, she shall be known informally as the Princess of Vienna and will enjoy administrator powers.
Viktoria Gryfynn is a very senior member of this region, having joined us in July 2006, undertaking the longest service as Prime Minister during the early LKE period, and reclaiming the role of Prime Minister multiple times in the modern LKE. Like the Prince Imperial, she has been a political figure in the region in the not too distant memory, but is more than capable of looking beyond such matters.
by Drop Your Pants » Sat May 17, 2014 10:22 am
The UIAF, acting in furtherance of TNI's alliance with The South Pacific as well as the LKE and TNI's wars with the GGR, worked with the South Pacific Special Forces to plan a joint operation to free Liberal Haven. On the update in question, it was discovered that the FRA, an inter-regional alliance which the LKE is at war with, were also planning a counter-invasion
by Whiskum » Sat May 17, 2014 10:30 am
Drop Your Pants wrote:The UIAF, acting in furtherance of TNI's alliance with The South Pacific as well as the LKE and TNI's wars with the GGR, worked with the South Pacific Special Forces to plan a joint operation to free Liberal Haven. On the update in question, it was discovered that the FRA, an inter-regional alliance which the LKE is at war with, were also planning a counter-invasion
So UIAF was working to free LH and FRA was going to invade it? Oh you
by The LKE Embassy » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:02 pm
Hello citizens of the LKE,
I am very honored to stand before you today as your newly elected Prime Minister. I am proud that more citizens voted in this election than in the many before it. I hope we can continue to have that record breaking activity in the coming few weeks and that we will lead the region forward together.
The region is once again at an integral part in its history and as such I need some great people to take it down the best path.
In the interior Ministry, I hope to develop the ministry to the best that I know that it can be. I hope to develop the mentor program so that every new citizen can have a mentor. I hope to build on the work of the last administration in recruitment so we can once again reach record population levels. For these reasons I would like to appoint Christopher Bishop as Interior Minister.
Mr. Bishop has been a valuable member of the community. He is the joint commander of the Imperial Armed Forces. He has also been in many other positions such as the Exterior and Interior. With this knowledge and experience, I know he will be a very valuable member of the Imperial Council.
In the Culture Ministry, I hope to revitalize the regions culture so that it can be as unique as I know it has the potential of being. I hope to rebuild the University so that it can have a key role in citizens understanding of real life and Nation States matters. I will also build on the last administrations achievements in the Civil Society, Julius Street, and Imperial Broadcasting House. For these reasons, I would like to appoint Bobracha as Culture Minister.
Bobracha is a newer member to the region and the World Assembly Delegate. He is a very active member and I know he will help me in making the regions culture the best it can be.
In the Exterior Ministry, I hope to build our foreign relations as best I can. I hope to build on the connections that the last term formed. I also hope to inform our allies as often as possible on regional matters. I hope to have both Mr. Bishop and Akillian work on these matters with my exterior minister so that the ministry can be the best that it can be.
I will not be announcing the Exterior Minister until I have confirmation from this citizen on accepting the position.
To reiterate, the following will be my Imperial Council in the coming term:
Interior Minister: Christopher Bishop
Culture Minister: Bobracha
Exterior Minister: Vacant pending acceptance
I will be posting a more detailed announcement of my vision once my cabinet has settled in.
Thank you Citizens of the LKE
Robin Shepard
Even though that situation was quickly recovered, this inquiry was instigated as a result of the seriousness of that incident and the importance of ensuring that nothing like it ever happens again.
The IMC has determined that two issues contributed to this result. First, the failure of the officer responsible for the point nation to be online at the time of the update, allowing RWU forces to begin piling into the region unhindered at least 10 minutes before the update. Second, the endorsement count being allowed to reach such a low number of endorsements: even bearing in mind the objective of enabling refounding, this was too low and ran contrary to long-standing imperialist military doctrine, namely to maintain the endorsement count at a point of safety. On this second point, we understand that it was considered unlikely that RWU would have 20 update units; this was clearly a mistaken assumption. In any case, professionalism and simple prudence should have dictated a higher level of regard for the security of a UIAF operation, particularly this mission given its inter-regional importance.
by Anumia » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:21 pm
by Josh Sebastian » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:44 am
by The LKE Embassy » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:31 am
Citizens, I am pleased to announce that, following consultation with the Guardian Council, I will be holding a referendum in four days time on whether this board should convert to ZetaBoards.
This follows on from excellent work by Valfor in creating a masequerade forum to advance our preparations for this conversion. This should show you what the LKE forum would be like if we convert.
Any change will be permanent, so be aware that we will not be able to convert back.
You should feel free to start topics in the Capitolinus Mons arguing either for or against this change.
Please note that the outcome of the referendum may not be immediately implemented, but naturally we will seek to give it effect as soon as possible.
by Josh Sebastian » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:26 pm
Venico wrote:A great update.
Valfor wrote:Indeed! Great work led by a Great Prime Minister!
by Josh Sebastian » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:08 am
by LKE Ministry of the Interior » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:43 am
by Eluvatar » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:15 pm
LKE Ministry of the Interior wrote:(Image)
Lords, ladies, gentlemen and creatures of the empire and the rest of NS world!
A reminder to all of you that the foundation anniversary festival of The Land of Kings and Emperors, LKE Oktoberfest 2014, opens tomorrow October 25 at the LKE community forums and concludes on October 31 with the Emperor's Speech! Drop by the Beer Hall and go have a drink and some grub, on the house. After you're done with your bombastic beer, head over to Scare Street and see our own goblins, ghouls and Germans battle it out in our, Pumpkin Carving and Scary Avatar and Flash Game contests.
There's a ton of scary and spooky surprises for everyone! What are you waiting for? Head over to The Land of Kings and Emperors and have a piece of the action. See you guys there!
by Josh Sebastian » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:17 pm
Our region is great. But we are only great as our citizens would want us to be. You have in your hands the power to usher in a new period of progress for the empire. You need only to assert yourselves, let yourselves be engaged in the many facets of regional life. Let this month, October, be an opportune time for you, for everyone. As we prepare the celebrate the anniversary of our foundation, may we find renewed strength and inspiration to forge on and ahead.
by The LKE Embassy » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:53 am
Just under nine years ago, there was a great battle for the delegacy of this region. A power struggle that would symbolize much of the region's purpose for the next two years. Wolf and Citizen Erased -- old names that are legends in their own right -- fought each other every Nationstates update to see who could claim the UN Delegacy, and with it, the coveted title of Prime Minister.
The region's early years were fraught with politics and scandal. For many of our veterans, there are undoubtably things that we are not proud of. But these were mere growing pains for a region that would indeed grow to influence the entire world.
The LKE's seeds spread across the world. Europeia rose to become a dominant world player. Hampshire became a hub of activity and politics. The New Inquisition shook off her shackles and became one of the best imperialist forces known to player. Equipped with LKE institutions, these regions prospered to some degree or another while the mother lay dormant. Her legacy grew.
Today the Land of Kings and Emperors has influenced the world in a way that few regions have. But looking at our region today, I know that the far past isn't the only thing we have to be proud of.
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