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Postby Morndul » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:59 am

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Morndul wrote:Honestly, this makes wonder why R/D was even considered worth preserving at the time. Obviously banning it would've come with it's own set of enforcement issues. If raiding were banned, you'd have to determine what counted as a "raid." The issue of defining "native" would be just as pertinent as in the old rules. Every time someone's delegacy was contested and someone brought it to the mods' attention, the mods would have had to determine if it was a native delegate or a raider delegate. How often would this have been a real issue? I guess we can only speculate. I guess Mr. Barry must have really valued the metagame some players had created.

That's exactly why we never even attempted to ban raiding. How do you tell a raid from an internal coup? How do you tell a raid from an exile regional government returning to coup the place? Or an internal coup with external support? Or an inter-regional spat? The only way to ban raiding would also end up banning regional politics entirely, which kinda runs counter to the "political simulator" thing.

There was also the possibility of only banning the mass raiding organizations themselves rather than the actual act of a raid, but that may have just forced them "underground." If successful it may have situated things so that raids were only done for political or ideological reasons rather than as a sport. But again, own set of problems.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:26 am

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Morndul wrote:Honestly, this makes wonder why R/D was even considered worth preserving at the time. Obviously banning it would've come with it's own set of enforcement issues. If raiding were banned, you'd have to determine what counted as a "raid." The issue of defining "native" would be just as pertinent as in the old rules. Every time someone's delegacy was contested and someone brought it to the mods' attention, the mods would have had to determine if it was a native delegate or a raider delegate. How often would this have been a real issue? I guess we can only speculate. I guess Mr. Barry must have really valued the metagame some players had created.

That's exactly why we never even attempted to ban raiding. How do you tell a raid from an internal coup? How do you tell a raid from an exile regional government returning to coup the place? Or an internal coup with external support? Or an inter-regional spat? The only way to ban raiding would also end up banning regional politics entirely, which kinda runs counter to the "political simulator" thing.


Banning raiding would be the same mess as determining who is a native under the old rule system.

I would never have become a mod under said system, I like my sanity :p
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Postby Nonononononononono » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:01 pm

Being new to NS, I want to know about the history of NationStates: major historical events, changes in the game, major organizations, and deceased regions. Other topics that I'd like to know are major figures in NationStates, dark ages, and embarrassing mishaps.

For all ye experienced players: tell me what you know.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:05 pm

By George *sits back in rocking chair* I can remember when badges (rankings for various things) were first introduced, that was truly ground breaking. It just gave players something to strive for, and added that much more game value to NS.

Also, everyone from back in the day remembers when Max Barry had to announce that he had received a letter from the actual United Nations telling him to stop calling what is now the World Assembly the United Nations...what an honour to receive a stop and desist letter!! (Although cheekily he still left the webpage/URL to the World Assembly "UN." ;D

AND who can forget the annual April Fool's joke when everyone thought (me included) that their nations had been HACKED!! I genuinely flipped out briefly, I think that ticked off a few too many people lol.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:04 pm

Nonononononononono wrote:Being new to NS, I want to know about the history of NationStates: major historical events, changes in the game, major organizations, and deceased regions. Other topics that I'd like to know are major figures in NationStates, dark ages, and embarrassing mishaps.

For all ye experienced players: tell me what you know.

April 2016 was not a good month for NS. It started with the mods punishing two dozen raiders for using an illegal script tool. It ended with a bunch more people getting punished for cybersexing through telegrams. Not a good month at all.
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Postby Drasnia » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:16 pm

This would be a great thread for you to read if you have the time: viewtopic.php?t=152919
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Postby Mexican Liberation » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:23 pm

Checking out the News page year by year would give a good idea of the new features and events that came as time passed.

Goes perfectly hand-in-hand with this.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:28 pm

My main nation (sig) arrived as part of an offsite community that just got wind of NS and wanted to try it out. We showed up just a couple months after RMB posts were made permanent - before 2011, you got 10 posts and if something got bumped off, it was gone forever.
And we waited three years to get "search by page" and an actual search function for RMBs.

If we'd arrived a few months early, the community would probably have left even sooner because we used the RMB to RP in.
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Postby Nonononononononono » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:02 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Nonononononononono wrote:Being new to NS, I want to know about the history of NationStates: major historical events, changes in the game, major organizations, and deceased regions. Other topics that I'd like to know are major figures in NationStates, dark ages, and embarrassing mishaps.

For all ye experienced players: tell me what you know.

April 2016 was not a good month for NS. It started with the mods punishing two dozen raiders for using an illegal script tool. It ended with a bunch more people getting punished for cybersexing through telegrams. Not a good month at all.


Could you, or any other nation, go into more detail in those events? They seem quite dramatic for what appears to be a standard nation based online game...

Drasnia wrote:This would be a great thread for you to read if you have the time: viewtopic.php?t=152919


Yes, I understand that there's that thread, but I'd like for a more expanded view on things, from nations that exist now, and about events that hadn't happened before that thread.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:05 am

Someone posted a link to NS on one of Reddit's most popular Subreddits.

The site was invaded twice between 2014-mid 2016.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:07 am

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Nonononononononono wrote:Being new to NS, I want to know about the history of NationStates: major historical events, changes in the game, major organizations, and deceased regions. Other topics that I'd like to know are major figures in NationStates, dark ages, and embarrassing mishaps.

For all ye experienced players: tell me what you know.

April 2016 was not a good month for NS. It started with the mods punishing two dozen raiders for using an illegal script tool. It ended with a bunch more people getting punished for cybersexing through telegrams. Not a good month at all.

Since when and why was TG sexting made illegal?
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Postby Drasnia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:11 am

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Kaboomlandia wrote:April 2016 was not a good month for NS. It started with the mods punishing two dozen raiders for using an illegal script tool. It ended with a bunch more people getting punished for cybersexing through telegrams. Not a good month at all.

Since when and why was TG sexting made illegal?

From my understanding, the biggest cause of concern was that some of those involved were underage in many first-world countries (such as the US) which could get NS in big trouble.

That part is not Gameplay related, however, so it'd probably be better to keep it to Gameplay related history.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:16 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:April 2016 was not a good month for NS. It started with the mods punishing two dozen raiders for using an illegal script tool. It ended with a bunch more people getting punished for cybersexing through telegrams. Not a good month at all.

Since when and why was TG sexting made illegal?

It goes against the PG-13 rule, you can read more about on the thread where the massacre was made public. Also, multiple minors were involved, so that just added to the issue.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=376532
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Postby Mexican Liberation » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:17 am

Nonononononononono wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:April 2016 was not a good month for NS. It started with the mods punishing two dozen raiders for using an illegal script tool. It ended with a bunch more people getting punished for cybersexing through telegrams. Not a good month at all.


Could you, or any other nation, go into more detail in those events? They seem quite dramatic for what appears to be a standard nation based online game...

Drasnia wrote:This would be a great thread for you to read if you have the time: viewtopic.php?t=152919


Yes, I understand that there's that thread, but I'd like for a more expanded view on things, from nations that exist now, and about events that hadn't happened before that thread.


I doubt many of us would look at our days here like we're grizzled war veterans, for the most part we just live day-in and day-out save the occasions where something exceptionally eventful happens.

That being said, I think I share the same feeling with you in wanting to know more about this site's history. I remember stumbling on here in 2011 and the site has changed tremendously, even though it still looks the same on the surface.

Still, not going to say there haven't been users and regions here that had some significant influence, some here briefly, others that were here since the beginning and one day just vanished. Luckily this site is able to archive most of its threads, so anyone can look back fondly or sadly of what used to be.
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Postby Queen Yuno » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:17 am

It's hard to summarize everything and easier to ask the individual what they experienced >_<

But IMO, I went through the same feeling. I didn't know most of what happened in 2015 .w.
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Postby The Federal Republic of Simonia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:03 am

This might have been answered, but what exactly was Great Bight?
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Postby Wisgothistan » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:13 am

Also, what was the Pacific like preFranco? What was raiding like before DEN? And what was the Lazarus coup I've heard talked about recently?

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Postby Nonononononononono » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:51 pm

The federal republic of Simonia wrote:This might have been answered, but what exactly was Great Bight?

Wisgothistan wrote:Also, what was the Pacific like preFranco? What was raiding like before DEN? And what was the Lazarus coup I've heard talked about recently?


I would also like to know the answers to the above questions. However, additionally, I'd like to know who was Franco and what DEN is.
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Postby General Knot » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:58 pm

Nonononononononono wrote:I would also like to know the answers to the above questions. However, additionally, I'd like to know who was Franco and what DEN is.

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Postby Nonononononononono » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:07 pm

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Nonononononononono wrote:I would also like to know the answers to the above questions. However, additionally, I'd like to know who was Franco and what DEN is.

DEN.


Well, is it a region or some other kind of organization? Also, why doesn't it exist?
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Postby Drasnia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:11 pm

Nonononononononono wrote:
General Knot wrote:DEN.


Well, is it a region or some other kind of organization? Also, why doesn't it exist?

DEN was a raider region/military organization. They had been around for a very long time (as that dispatch shows), but under multiple iterations/leaderships. The last one was 2015-April 2016. They were using a script developed and maintained by the DoS player Halcones, which violated all the scripting rules. The rulebreaking was so bad and so systemic, that the moderators had no choice but to forcibly disband the organization and never allow anybody to use their name again (same goes for Cora's Cimmeria org when she got DoS'd then too).
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Postby Nonononononononono » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:22 pm

Drasnia wrote:
Nonononononononono wrote:
Well, is it a region or some other kind of organization? Also, why doesn't it exist?

DEN was a raider region/military organization. They had been around for a very long time (as that dispatch shows), but under multiple iterations/leaderships. The last one was 2015-April 2016. They were using a script developed and maintained by the DoS player Halcones, which violated all the scripting rules. The rulebreaking was so bad and so systemic, that the moderators had no choice but to forcibly disband the organization and never allow anybody to use their name again (same goes for Cora's Cimmeria org when she got DoS'd then too).


How many nations in DEN were breaking the rules, what did Halcones do wrong to get a DoS, and how systemic was the rulebreaking?

Another one of my questions: are there regions with lots of opportunity supporting communism, especially Stalinism?
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Postby The Paradisian Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:25 pm

The federal republic of Simonia wrote:This might have been answered, but what exactly was Great Bight?

Great Bight was a Rogue Delegate of the North Pacific who seized the delegacy and held it for most of July 2004.
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Postby Luna Amore » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:09 pm

Nonononononononono wrote:
The federal republic of Simonia wrote:This might have been answered, but what exactly was Great Bight?

Wisgothistan wrote:Also, what was the Pacific like preFranco? What was raiding like before DEN? And what was the Lazarus coup I've heard talked about recently?


I would also like to know the answers to the above questions. However, additionally, I'd like to know who was Franco and what DEN is.

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Postby The Federal Republic of Simonia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:17 pm

Another question, when does your founding date become "antiquity" is it pre 2008 or earlier?
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