NationStates

Bears Armed wrote:So, the raider groups that have spokesnations complaining about TITO's actions here do acknowledge the concept of 'natives' after all... despite past claims by various well-known raiders that it became obsolete once Influence had been introduced? And when members of any of those groups invade a region whose own natives then ask them to leave immediately, they'll do so?

I don't acknowledge the term "native", and will never do. I am glad to observe that the fendas' actions in Osiris show the same. After this blatant imperialistic raid the air has finally gone out of the "we care for you" balloon. I have claimed fenda hypocrisy all the time, and has now been proven correct. Thank you.

Kanaia wrote:

Bears Armed wrote:So, the raider groups that have spokesnations complaining about TITO's actions here do acknowledge the concept of 'natives' after all... despite past claims by various well-known raiders that it became obsolete once Influence had been introduced? And when members of any of those groups invade a region whose own natives then ask them to leave immediately, they'll do so?

Haven't you realized Raiders will say anything to further their agenda?

Now they will play the martyr card and pretend that big bad TITO was the aggressor here, and they were simply trying to help. They've used this propaganda before, they'll use it again.

Nice inverted logic.

Fenda intervention is aggression unchecked. It has always been, and will always be. So says the "gospel" of Grub.

Cinistra wrote:

Bears Armed wrote:So, the raider groups that have spokesnations complaining about TITO's actions here do acknowledge the concept of 'natives' after all... despite past claims by various well-known raiders that it became obsolete once Influence had been introduced? And when members of any of those groups invade a region whose own natives then ask them to leave immediately, they'll do so?

I don't acknowledge the term "native", and will never do. I am glad to observe that the fendas' actions in Osiris show the same. After this blatant imperialistic raid the air has finally gone out of the "we care for you" balloon. I have claimed fenda hypocrisy all the time, and has now been proven correct. Thank you.

And you don't see any difference in significance, in terms of rights to the regions in which they exist, between communities that have existed in their UCRs for several years and the scatterings of nations that have just moved (or been revived) into either of these newly-created 'sinks' during the last day or so?!? Bah!

Bears Armed wrote:So, the raider groups that have spokesnations complaining about TITO's actions here do acknowledge the concept of 'natives' after all... despite past claims by various well-known raiders that it became obsolete once Influence had been introduced? And when members of any of those groups invade a region whose own natives then ask them to leave immediately, they'll do so?

I've never claimed there are no natives. Certainly there are. And I'm not gonna leave a region because the natives tell me to. This is because I'm a raider. But we expect defenders to leave if natives ask them to. It's defenders that are always claiming native rights. That they do this for the natives.

Tramiar wrote:

Bears Armed wrote:So, the raider groups that have spokesnations complaining about TITO's actions here do acknowledge the concept of 'natives' after all... despite past claims by various well-known raiders that it became obsolete once Influence had been introduced? And when members of any of those groups invade a region whose own natives then ask them to leave immediately, they'll do so?

I've never claimed there are no natives. Certainly there are. And I'm not gonna leave a region because the natives tell me to. This is because I'm a raider. But we expect defenders to leave if natives ask them to. It's defenders that are always claiming native rights. That they do this for the natives.

And you don't see any difference in significance, in terms of rights to the regions in which they exist, between communities that have existed in their UCRs for several years and the scatterings of nations that have just moved (or been revived) into either of these newly-created 'sinks' during the last day or so?!?

New Rogernomics wrote:

Kanaia wrote:
Haven't you realized Raiders will say anything to further their agenda?

Now they will play the martyr card and pretend that big bad TITO was the aggressor here, and they were simply trying to help. They've used this propaganda before, they'll use it again.

Nice inverted logic.

We are humans, and this is just TITO trying to make itself feel better for its invasion. You target nations that raised the Aretist banner who weren't even raiders, congratulations on a good raid and only banning those with the flags to try to justify yourselves.

Bears Armed wrote:

Tramiar wrote:
I've never claimed there are no natives. Certainly there are. And I'm not gonna leave a region because the natives tell me to. This is because I'm a raider. But we expect defenders to leave if natives ask them to. It's defenders that are always claiming native rights. That they do this for the natives.

And you don't see any difference in significance, in terms of rights to the regions in which they exist, between communities that have existed in their UCRs for several years and the scatterings of nations that have just moved (or been revived) into either of these newly-created 'sinks' during the last day or so?!?

There aren't really any natives in this situation in my opinion. Maybe the ones that have been revived there, but not really. But that doesn't mean that these defender groups aren't raiding.

Tramiar wrote:

Bears Armed wrote:And you don't see any difference in significance, in terms of rights to the regions in which they exist, between communities that have existed in their UCRs for several years and the scatterings of nations that have just moved (or been revived) into either of these newly-created 'sinks' during the last day or so?!?

There aren't really any natives in this situation in my opinion. Maybe the ones that have been revived there, but not really. But that doesn't mean that these defender groups aren't raiding.

By that logic, isn't everybody except the verry first nation that appeared there "raiding"?

Bears Armed wrote:

Tramiar wrote:There aren't really any natives in this situation in my opinion. Maybe the ones that have been revived there, but not really. But that doesn't mean that these defender groups aren't raiding.

By that logic, isn't everybody except the verry first nation that appeared there "raiding"?

One of the definitions of raiding I've gotten from defenders says that a raid is when nations that aren't natives of a region attempt to take the delegacy of the region using outside forces (other non-natives). So yeah, sure.

ooh ban button!

Muh-ha! I joined the game to talk about politics now there IS politics. I shall reside in Osiris for a while, for the shits and giggles of watching everything.

In other news... Balder is doing very well. Unibot was elected delegate and we're have a constitutional convention that welcomes all those interested in seeing Balder live long and prosper

Boo!!! "Defender" militaries shouldn't be invading the new regions.

Are ejections allowed in the new regions?

Rachel Anumia wrote:In other news... Balder is doing very well. Unibot was elected delegate and we're have a constitutional convention that welcomes all those interested in seeing Balder live long and prosper

Certainly more acceptable, than Osiris is right now. Good to see you have made a great start.

Christian Democrats wrote:Boo!!! "Defender" militaries shouldn't be invading the new regions.

Are ejections allowed in the new regions?

Yes as Kain and several others were ejected several minutes ago from Osiris.

Cinistra wrote:

Bears Armed wrote:So, the raider groups that have spokesnations complaining about TITO's actions here do acknowledge the concept of 'natives' after all... despite past claims by various well-known raiders that it became obsolete once Influence had been introduced? And when members of any of those groups invade a region whose own natives then ask them to leave immediately, they'll do so?

I don't acknowledge the term "native", and will never do. I am glad to observe that the fendas' actions in Osiris show the same. After this blatant imperialistic raid the air has finally gone out of the "we care for you" balloon. I have claimed fenda hypocrisy all the time, and has now been proven correct. Thank you.

TITO =/= all defenders.

Saint Thomas Aquinas: 'Rarely affirm, seldom deny, always distinguish.'

Rachel Anumia wrote:In other news... Balder is doing very well. Unibot was elected delegate and we're have a constitutional convention that welcomes all those interested in seeing Balder live long and prosper

hah, it seems that the Balder is much more peaceful...

That was the point.

Elections for the leader among the legitimate enfranchised Balderites or Baldies as we've come to be known as will occur on Oct. 23 15:00 EDT. If you see yourself as wanting to become a native of Balder, please join the Constitutional Convention so you can be enfranchised in our constitutional debates and votes.

I still hope Osiris will stabilize. I'll remain there, as I have one non-WA puppet in Balder, so we may be on touch on it's RMB

Bears Armed wrote:

Tramiar wrote:There aren't really any natives in this situation in my opinion. Maybe the ones that have been revived there, but not really. But that doesn't mean that these defender groups aren't raiding.

By that logic, isn't everybody except the verry first nation that appeared there "raiding"?

No, only those who have seized power, and kicked nations out. We have as much right to speak up against intruders as any other residents in NS. We don't need any outsider to tell us what's the best for our region. And yes, there is a raid going on. That's what you call it when outsiders enter someones border and seize power, so please skip the " " signs.

Baldies are very peaceful. I hear rumours of high virility though.

It is going quite well. I love the way the two new regions are starting so differently. It's going to be fun to watch them grow.

For some reason when I read Kain's posts this song came to my mind:

Baby, do you understand me now
Sometimes I feel a little mad
But don't you know that no one alive
Can always be an angel
When things go wrong I seem to be bad
But I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood.

The animals "Don't let me be misunderstood".

I am sure the intentions were entirely honorable.

Who's intentions, if I may ask?