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We have been extremely busy at Grand Central. If anyone wishes for more information, you can always telegram me on how to get involved. We are now accepting foreign ambassadors to establish interregional relations.

Feux (Honored Lazarian)

Meant to be Dishonoured

Drop Your Pants wrote:

Feux (Honored Lazarian)

Meant to be Dishonoured

Yeah.... Not sure how you can honor someone who orchestrates a coup, or gets fired for it failing.

It should be Lazarene, Chingis. I should also be listed as "Pharaoh Emeritus" instead of "Ex-Pharaoh". I thought I told you this before you published it

Well that was a long lived raid...

Oh no, you raided a region that is tag raided every other update. How utterly unimportant.

Dark Robes wrote:the South, formerly a prominent defender region which once boasted a population of 106 nations.

Prominent for having Mahaj in it, I don't think any other defenders came from there did they?

The South is a raiding classic. It should be a right of passage to any organization that is growing in size and influence. Congratulations on the operation. I assure you that we will continue to tease Mahaj until the region's founder finds its way onto a login script. I would also like to thank you for your acquisition of the enigma known as "Gradea". I honestly can't make heads or tails of it, but at least I may remotely understand its R/ND alignment now.

So that's what happened to Gradea. I gotta say, I was just a little bit curious when he dropped off the face of NS.

Drop Your Pants wrote:

Dark Robes wrote:the South, formerly a prominent defender region which once boasted a population of 106 nations.

Prominent for having Mahaj in it, I don't think any other defenders came from there did they?

It was also the home of a defender army known as the Southern Army. I'm not sure how significant they were.

Dark Robes wrote:It was also the home of a defender army known as the Southern Army. I'm not sure how significant they were.

Practically non-existent, never heard of the buggers.

It is to great shock and dismay of the Grand Central Community that a coup d'état has taken place in the Osiris Fraternal Order. The legitimate and lawful Pharaoh of the Osiris Fraternal Order who had been elected by the councilors of Deshret, twice due to a renewal of the original election, was overthrown before even reaching the seat of Delegate by Cormac Stark(Cormactopia II), Tim Stark, and Kothles(Saq). The trio had effectively ejected and banned The Almighty Jesus Whale from the region, and proclaimed a Transitional Government which would proceed to suspend the Deshret and the Pschent. Additionally, anyone who has been bold enough to speak against this coup was stripped of their rights as citizen, and removed from their respective government branch. Since then, the vast majority of the Osiran community had proclaimed support for the legitimate Pharaoh and started efforts to remove the traitors from their seats of power and bring back order and peace to the region.

The government of Grand Central cannot simply stand by and watch while a select few individuals go against the laws of the Osiran state and grab all the powers to themselves, simply because they did not find the result of the election to be according to their wishes. Nobody has the right to put themsleves above the laws, and above the community of a region. No single person can claim they are the region, and no one can escape the grip of justice. It is because of our strong sense of justice and comradeship that the Cabinet and Elders of Grand Central plead the Transitional Government of Osiris to cease and desist all of their current illegal and dishonorable acts, and undo the damage they have done. This would include restoring the presence of the Almighty Jesus Whale in the region and allowing him to take over the seat of World Assembly Delegate, restoring the Pschent and Deshret and restoring the maskings of everyone they have stripped for simply speaking out against them, and having Cormac Stark and Tim Stark resign their nations from the World Assembly.

To conclude, Grand Central officially recognizes The Almighty Jesus Whale as the legitimate and lawful Pharaoh of the Osiris Fraternal Order and proclaims it's support to said individual and his followers, and shows great displeasure at the unnecessary and destructive acts that the coup conspirators known as the Transitional Government have displayed. We will do everything in our power to help restore law, peace, and stability within the boundaries of the Osiran state, as is right. Let every region know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of our allies.

The Ghost of Festavo wrote:Let every region know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of our allies.

Umm...

Osiris isn't and wasn't your ally. You literally just requested an embassy a few days ago, and as far as I know, Osiris and Grand Central have never worked together on anything. Maybe a raid or two, at most.

What this is really about is you have Osirans with conflicts of interest insisting on this course of action. You have Festavo serving as your head of government and he has petty grudges against members of the Transitional Government, as does Plagentine (Kleo/Marselesk). Those petty grudges, in large part, stem from our insistence that they should have faced more serious consequences for their actions in relation to their use of the illegal Predator raiding script.

Cormactopia II wrote:

The Ghost of Festavo wrote:Let every region know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of our allies.

Umm...

Osiris isn't and wasn't your ally. You literally just requested an embassy a few days ago, and as far as I know, Osiris and Grand Central have never worked together on anything. Maybe a raid or two, at most.

What this is really about is you have Osirans with conflicts of interest insisting on this course of action. You have Festavo serving as your head of government and he has petty grudges against members of the Transitional Government, as does Plagentine (Kleo/Marselesk). Those petty grudges, in large part, stem from our insistence that they should have faced more serious consequences for their actions in relation to their use of the illegal Predator raiding script.

As the Head of State of Grand Central (with no involvement in either the Predator scandal nor any ties with Osiris) I can categorically say that this statement, like most of what you have put out since your coup, is utter nonsense.

The Government of Grand Central has collectively reached a decision based on the principles that ought to be common to all democratic regions, namely, respect for the democratic processes. No personal histories were raised at any point during the drafting process of our statement. Unlike you, Grand Central has been able to leave personal histories out of our public decision making. Given your economy with the truth to the people of Osiris, it is not surprising that you have attempted to besmirch the reputation of Grand Central too, but we shall not let it go unanswered.

Grand Central bears no ill will towards either Osiris nor the so-called "Transitional Government" in their personal capacities. Indeed, we wish for nothing more than a voluntary surrender of power to the legitimate elected authorities of Osiris. We believe this would be best for both Osiris and the inter-regional community.

Finally, a note on Festavo's use of "Let every region know..." is a paraphrase on Kennedy's Inaugural Address. It expresses lofty principles that we in Grand Central aspire to. We only wish that other regions had the decency to do so as well.

I'd like to publicly note that my signature was put on that statement without my consent, which is mildly annoying because I thought I had already communicated that I wouldn't put my name anywhere near a statement other than "I don't care".

Stavelot-Malmedy wrote:As the Head of State of Grand Central (with no involvement in either the Predator scandal nor any ties with Osiris) I can categorically say that this statement, like most of what you have put out since your coup, is utter nonsense.

[4/19/2016 12:59:47 AM] Cormac: Out of curiosity, is Grand Central planning to get militarily involved in Osiris? I've heard rumors of those supporting the opposition but didn't see GC listed.
[4/19/2016 1:00:37 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: I think so. Festavo was pissed.
[4/19/2016 1:00:44 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: And he’s our head of government.
[4/19/2016 1:00:58 AM] Cormac: Ah, he commands the military then?
[4/19/2016 1:01:38 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: Aye.
[4/19/2016 1:01:45 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: Our military is shit though.

Stavelot-Malmedy wrote:Unlike you, Grand Central has been able to leave personal histories out of our public decision making

Stavelot-Malmedy wrote:Grand Central bears no ill will towards either Osiris nor the so-called "Transitional Government" in their personal capacities.

[4/19/2016 1:27:27 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: Can we get personal for a bit man?
[4/19/2016 2:08:43 AM] Cormac: Sorry, was afk.
[4/19/2016 2:08:46 AM] Cormac: Sure.
[4/19/2016 2:09:18 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: Well it turns out GC is very anti Tim/Cormac

You're making this too easy.

My apologies. My mistake. It has been removed.

Cormactopia II wrote:

Stavelot-Malmedy wrote:As the Head of State of Grand Central (with no involvement in either the Predator scandal nor any ties with Osiris) I can categorically say that this statement, like most of what you have put out since your coup, is utter nonsense.

[4/19/2016 12:59:47 AM] Cormac: Out of curiosity, is Grand Central planning to get militarily involved in Osiris? I've heard rumors of those supporting the opposition but didn't see GC listed.
[4/19/2016 1:00:37 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: I think so. Festavo was pissed.
[4/19/2016 1:00:44 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: And he’s our head of government.
[4/19/2016 1:00:58 AM] Cormac: Ah, he commands the military then?
[4/19/2016 1:01:38 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: Aye.
[4/19/2016 1:01:45 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: Our military is shit though.

Stavelot-Malmedy wrote:Unlike you, Grand Central has been able to leave personal histories out of our public decision making

Stavelot-Malmedy wrote:Grand Central bears no ill will towards either Osiris nor the so-called "Transitional Government" in their personal capacities.

[4/19/2016 1:27:27 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: Can we get personal for a bit man?
[4/19/2016 2:08:43 AM] Cormac: Sorry, was afk.
[4/19/2016 2:08:46 AM] Cormac: Sure.
[4/19/2016 2:09:18 AM] 95 Block Of The Vasentius: Well it turns out GC is very anti Tim/Cormac

You're making this too easy.

My dear Cormac, you completely misunderstood my objections to your statement. Certainly, I admit that some members of Grand Central do harbour ill-will towards you. That should not come as any shock to you. Some are members of Osiris whom you have banned by diktat. But personal feelings towards you and members of your "Transitional Government" do not underpin the official regional attitude towards your coup.

What I object to is your implication that the Government of Grand Central (and consequently our statement) ought to be dismissed as an inevitably biased document. We, the entire Government, considered the matter at great length and later drafted the document you see above. I was present through the entire drafting process, and at no point were any personal animosities raised. Indeed, before you made your statement, I had absolutely no idea that you or Tim (or whoever else) have advocated for harsher punishments on Predator users. It was simply something that was not discussed when Grand Central was drafting her statement. Even if it had been raised, I personally would have ensured that it played no part in our collective decision making.

The statement of the Government of Grand Central is an entirely dispassionate assessment of the situation in Osiris. It is of course up to you whether you choose to believe that or not, but as someone with no dog in this race, I can absolutely say that no personal animus towards anyone in Osiris was involved in Grand Central's statement.

While I don't doubt that for some of you this was an uninvolved and cool decision, I think it's highly unreasonable to state that personal feelings has *no* effect on this, considering both the logs above and obvious invovlement of a number of your leading officials in Osiris, on the side opposite the TGO. Whether or not it functionally matter, bias is a thing, and a thing undoubtable involved in the opinions of a good portion of your government.

Personally, in any region I was leading in, I'd insist anyone previously involved in this matter in Osiris recuse themselves from any vote or group decision on the matter. They'd be welcome to voice their opinion, but the conflict of interest would be too much for me to be comfortable.

Who cares?

Down with Cormac and Tim.

I'm glad my signature is on there.

You seem surprised. Were you not part of the drafting and discussion?

Edit: I suppose Grand Central has become defender or neutral now? You know, to respect the democratic processes of all regions.

Ultimate Sacrifice wrote:You seem surprised. Were you not part of the drafting and discussion?

Edit: I suppose Grand Central has become defender or neutral now? You know, to respect the democratic processes of all regions.

Assumptions much?

Just a Feux. Are they unreasonable assumptions, or is the grandstanding of regional sovereignty simply opportunistic and hypocritical?