General Knot wrote:Wayneactia wrote:It just seems curious that Knot, Koth, and 94 Block were all punished while claiming they had no knowledge of the usage of Predator, yet not one person from The Black Hawks was touched?
You should do some more research before posting, CP.
Indeed. Former council member wetwork just got off a ban. Former member festavo is swerving a ban. Currently inactive and heavily demoted member chingis is serving a ban. Council member at the time of the ruling and now ex council member Kleo is serving a ban. Current council member Koth is serving a ban. Former members aurum and vandoosa just got off their ban. TBH was named in the statement. You're a wee bit off.
Red Back barely touches GP besides to take care of adminstrative stuff. In fact, the most active I've ever seen him was when this ruling came out and he wanted to know what the hell predator was, why TBH nearly got wiped out over it, and how we could stop anything like this from ever happening again (see: two formal statements on Predator in the TBH thread). Mall comes in to talk on rare occasion, but has not participated in anything raid-related since I've been a member of TBH, by my understanding preferring not to be involved as a game moderator. Jakker knew little to nothing about predator. Coe knew even less. The creator, distributors, and main users of predator were not TBH members, and while we (in hindsight foolishly) allowed members to use it, it was not endorsed or distributed by the region, access was not tied into our ranking system, and never where any of our members expected to use it to lead raids.
Now, I see you've brought my name up as well. Yes, I knew a bit about predator. Not that it was illegal, in fact that all evidence available to the users at the time pointed to it being perfectly legal. But, along with a select few others, held a certain disdain for it. Not just becuase it was a highly advanced tool and were ebul manual-preferring Luddites - but becuase even after a mod ruling saying that it was fine to use tools made by a DoS player so long as the tools were legal and player was not involved, it struck us as sketchy to be using a tool made by a player whose illegal actions already brought down one region. Perhaps we should have been firmer on that point, but we weren't - and we had no more idea that it was illegal than any other user. Nonetheless, when we first began to hear that it might be, we were among the first to assist the investigation. Now, I perhaps am among those that understand predator the best on a technical level, becuase I was part of the group that worked to find how it worked and assist the mods as such. I am intimately familiar with who's used it becuase I was given access to the logs in order to attempt to talk users into cooperation with moderation. I can go on, but I think I've said enough.
If you think I or anyone else has done something of worthy of moderation action, report it.
Otherwise, shove off.