Illegal Script Usage "Predator": Punishments

[We Are Not the NSA]

Wooooo 1,000th post!

PS I hope this gets sorted out soon

But only the 999th reply!

Personally, I feel like we should have gotten past complaining about Texasa's behavior by now. He seems to want this resolved, but isn't sure how to do so.

I disagree with CD on the second point. Texasa may be incoherent but he is doing his best. He does not want this punishment and his actions clearly show that. The problem is it's very hard to get his story straight. But, we've had his story straight for many weeks now and we can't blame him for our slowness after that point. It's true that he could have been more persistent but I still don't think we can put all of the blame on him for the long length of this process.

I've asked CD to reconcile the two drafts as quickly as possible. I don't think we should give up now. I still plan on asking Texasa to simply submit my version of the appeal if this process continues to stall.

I don't want to be rude, Ovybia; but I highly doubt that the moderators would accept your draft unmodified.

Speaking of which, you guys should make sure he understands where he's supposed to submit the appeal, cuz it ain't where he posted that.

[Luziyca]

As CD points out, it's pretty difficult to represent someone who attempts to re-confess continuously with nonsense. He seems to want this punishment.

I disagree with CD on the second point. Texasa may be incoherent but he is doing his best. He does not want this punishment and his actions clearly show that. The problem is it's very hard to get his story straight. But, we've had his story straight for many weeks now and we can't blame him for our slowness after that point. It's true that he could have been more persistent but I still don't think we can put all of the blame on him for the long length of this process.

I've asked CD to reconcile the two drafts as quickly as possible. I don't think we should give up now. I still plan on asking Texasa to simply submit my version of the appeal if this process continues to stall.

Well, at this point, there is no real use in trying to get this done when it keeps stalling. Just let the dead rest in peace, we don't need to interrogate the dead anymore.

At this rate, even if such an appeal is submitted, I have doubts that the mods will even accept the appeal, because it took way too long for it to be submitted. That's like reporting a spam post made by someone three years ago to the mods on a thread you have last posted in that period of time: they won't take you seriously.

Besides, his sentence is basically 1/3rd finished already. At this rate, assuming the process keeps going as long as it has been, the appeal would be made completely and utterly moot because he would be permitted to rejoin the WA.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I disagree with CD on the second point. Texasa may be incoherent but he is doing his best. He does not want this punishment and his actions clearly show that. The problem is it's very hard to get his story straight. But, we've had his story straight for many weeks now and we can't blame him for our slowness after that point. It's true that he could have been more persistent but I still don't think we can put all of the blame on him for the long length of this process.

I've asked CD to reconcile the two drafts as quickly as possible. I don't think we should give up now. I still plan on asking Texasa to simply submit my version of the appeal if this process continues to stall.

Well, at this point, there is no real use in trying to get this done when it keeps stalling. Just let the dead rest in peace, we don't need to interrogate the dead anymore.

At this rate, even if such an appeal is submitted, I have doubts that the mods will even accept the appeal, because it took way too long for it to be submitted. That's like reporting a spam post made by someone three years ago to the mods on a thread you have last posted in that period of time: they won't take you seriously.

Besides, his sentence is basically 1/3rd finished already. At this rate, assuming the process keeps going as long as it has been, the appeal would be made completely and utterly moot because he would be permitted to rejoin the WA.

Except, you know, the part where he theoretically could be cleared, and have this stricken through in his record, and not be talking a 3mo extension for any other offense.

[Luziyca]

Well, at this point, there is no real use in trying to get this done when it keeps stalling. Just let the dead rest in peace, we don't need to interrogate the dead anymore.

At this rate, even if such an appeal is submitted, I have doubts that the mods will even accept the appeal, because it took way too long for it to be submitted. That's like reporting a spam post made by someone three years ago to the mods on a thread you have last posted in that period of time: they won't take you seriously.

Besides, his sentence is basically 1/3rd finished already. At this rate, assuming the process keeps going as long as it has been, the appeal would be made completely and utterly moot because he would be permitted to rejoin the WA.

Except, you know, the part where he theoretically could be cleared, and have this stricken through in his record, and not be talking a 3mo extension for any other offense.

Theoretically.

Theoretically, the mods can suppress that spammy post that was made three years ago in a very dead thread. But unless if it reveals major revelations, such as revealing illegal activity committed by a user, it is very unlikely the mods will do anything further.

There should really be a deadline looming over Tex to appeal his punishment before all appeals regarding Tex's punishment gets denied. If they truly believe Tex is innocent (and I feel some people like CD and Guy are feeling that he wants the punishment), the appeal would come before that deadline. If they don't, it's his loss, not mine.

[Ovybia]

I disagree with CD on the second point. Texasa may be incoherent but he is doing his best. He does not want this punishment and his actions clearly show that. The problem is it's very hard to get his story straight. But, we've had his story straight for many weeks now and we can't blame him for our slowness after that point. It's true that he could have been more persistent but I still don't think we can put all of the blame on him for the long length of this process.

I've asked CD to reconcile the two drafts as quickly as possible. I don't think we should give up now. I still plan on asking Texasa to simply submit my version of the appeal if this process continues to stall.

I don't want to be rude, Ovybia; but I highly doubt that the moderators would accept your draft unmodified.

Ok. *sigh* Just please hurry.

[Lord Ravenclaw]

I am strangely perturbed at how arduous a task this seems to be for people. Perhaps a few of us should have been more proactive in this? There's plenty of people posting in this thread with four star credentials in NSWriting (tm), this appeal should not have taken the length of time that it has. Perhaps I'm uncomfortable given what has been said about the Nation's problems with communicating, more so than topic given my general dislike of gameplay militaries at the best of times.

But yes - there is still value to this appeal. EWS is completely right in this - that and the very point that the Staff were willing to entertain this appeal in the first place suggests they were also possibly concerned he may not have realised what he was admitting to. Obviously I know nothing about their collective thought-processes, only a reasonable guess based on my own observations.

Perhaps someone with experience at working with people who suffer from learning difficulties could make headway here?

[Luziyca]

I am strangely perturbed at how arduous a task this seems to be for people. Perhaps a few of us should have been more proactive in this? There's plenty of people posting in this thread with four star credentials in NSWriting (tm), this appeal should not have taken the length of time that it has. Perhaps I'm uncomfortable given what has been said about the Nation's problems with communicating, more so than topic given my general dislike of gameplay militaries at the best of times.

But yes - there is still value to this appeal. EWS is completely right in this - that and the very point that the Staff were willing to entertain this appeal in the first place suggests they were also possibly concerned he may not have realised what he was admitting to. Obviously I know nothing about their collective thought-processes, only a reasonable guess based on my own observations.

Perhaps someone with experience at working with people who suffer from learning difficulties could make headway here?

Well, as someone who has autism, and who has gone through those challenges in the past to become the person I have become today, the problem was that some subpar individuals volunteered to write an appeal, for someone who is uncooperative, who is disengaged and incoherent, and who tried to re-incriminate himself (according to Guy and Christian Democrats).

I do not care if he has a learning disability. Many of us on this site have learning disabilities, but we manage to not be incoherent on this site (most of the time, anyway). And besides, even if he does, that is no excuse.

But because of how long the appeal-writing process is taking, and the fact that he is almost a third of the way through his WA ban, I do not see any reason why the mods should even consider letting him appeal. If they truly worked with him and got it done, the appeal would've been submitted ages ago, and maybe the mods will view this appeal more favorably.

I don't care if he wants his record wiped. But if that is the case, you need to submit an appeal against moderation action PROMPTLY. Like, at the latest, no later than two weeks after the offense has happened.

[Lord Ravenclaw]

I am strangely perturbed at how arduous a task this seems to be for people. Perhaps a few of us should have been more proactive in this? There's plenty of people posting in this thread with four star credentials in NSWriting (tm), this appeal should not have taken the length of time that it has. Perhaps I'm uncomfortable given what has been said about the Nation's problems with communicating, more so than topic given my general dislike of gameplay militaries at the best of times.

But yes - there is still value to this appeal. EWS is completely right in this - that and the very point that the Staff were willing to entertain this appeal in the first place suggests they were also possibly concerned he may not have realised what he was admitting to. Obviously I know nothing about their collective thought-processes, only a reasonable guess based on my own observations.

Perhaps someone with experience at working with people who suffer from learning difficulties could make headway here?

Well, as someone who has autism, and who has gone through those challenges in the past to become the person I have become today, the problem was that some subpar individuals volunteered to write an appeal, for someone who is uncooperative, who is disengaged and incoherent, and who tried to re-incriminate himself (according to Guy and Christian Democrats).

I do not care if he has a learning disability. Many of us on this site have learning disabilities, but we manage to not be incoherent on this site (most of the time, anyway). And besides, even if he does, that is no excuse.

I'm going to stop you here.

Some people struggle more than others and that as someone who claims to have autism, I would have hoped you would be more understanding to his struggles.

But because of how long the appeal-writing process is taking, and the fact that he is almost a third of the way through his WA ban, I do not see any reason why the mods should even consider letting him appeal. If they truly worked with him and got it done, the appeal would've been submitted ages ago, and maybe the mods will view this appeal more favorably.

I don't care if he wants his record wiped. But if that is the case, you need to submit an appeal against moderation action PROMPTLY. Like, at the latest, no later than two weeks after the offense has happened.

Maybe I'm just an idealist, or maybe I might know how things work a little better than you do, or maybe I've got a little bit more experience where it counts - I think that this thread has seen it made clear several times that the player in question struggles a great deal. If an appeal is made and it is successful, then everything is stricken from their record. If not, it stays.

You may not see the value of a clean record - but I can tell you that a LOT of people in this thread dream of one. I've spent eight years with just one informal warning, and that suits me fine - others have erred, and some have paid dearly for that.

[Guy]

I am strangely perturbed at how arduous a task this seems to be for people. Perhaps a few of us should have been more proactive in this? There's plenty of people posting in this thread with four star credentials in NSWriting (tm), this appeal should not have taken the length of time that it has. Perhaps I'm uncomfortable given what has been said about the Nation's problems with communicating, more so than topic given my general dislike of gameplay militaries at the best of times.

But yes - there is still value to this appeal. EWS is completely right in this - that and the very point that the Staff were willing to entertain this appeal in the first place suggests they were also possibly concerned he may not have realised what he was admitting to. Obviously I know nothing about their collective thought-processes, only a reasonable guess based on my own observations.

Perhaps someone with experience at working with people who suffer from learning difficulties could make headway here?

I agree that the writing the appeal should be fairly straightforward, and I'd encourage anyone with the time and will to do so to take it on. The crux of it should be very clear: He was never highly involved in DEN to be given a copy, and even if he was somehow given a rogue copy, he would have needed authorisation to actually use it. It's plain as anything that neither occurred.

The issue is that if Texasa, as much empathy as I have for them, continues to undermine any appeal with more confessions, I'm not sure there's much of a point. NS Mods aren't here to judge our RL circumstances, and if a player continuously attempts to commit suicide by mod (whether intentionally or not), then… Well, they probably will just receive more punishment.

[Ovybia]

He was never highly involved in DEN to be given a copy, and even if he was somehow given a rogue copy, he would have needed authorisation to actually use it. It's plain as anything that neither occurred.

The former did occur according to Texasa's story. He had Predator on his computer but never ran it.

I suggest you read my appeal posted by Texasa in this forum: viewtopic.php?p=29048003#p29048003

This contains all of the relevant details known at the time I wrote it. Since then, we found out that FOREVERDEN gave Texasa predator and Gest told Texasa to delete predator from his computer.

[Luziyca]

Well, as someone who has autism, and who has gone through those challenges in the past to become the person I have become today, the problem was that some subpar individuals volunteered to write an appeal, for someone who is uncooperative, who is disengaged and incoherent, and who tried to re-incriminate himself (according to Guy and Christian Democrats).

I do not care if he has a learning disability. Many of us on this site have learning disabilities, but we manage to not be incoherent on this site (most of the time, anyway). And besides, even if he does, that is no excuse.

I'm going to stop you here.

Some people struggle more than others and that as someone who claims to have autism, I would have hoped you would be more understanding to his struggles.

But because of how long the appeal-writing process is taking, and the fact that he is almost a third of the way through his WA ban, I do not see any reason why the mods should even consider letting him appeal. If they truly worked with him and got it done, the appeal would've been submitted ages ago, and maybe the mods will view this appeal more favorably.

I don't care if he wants his record wiped. But if that is the case, you need to submit an appeal against moderation action PROMPTLY. Like, at the latest, no later than two weeks after the offense has happened.

Maybe I'm just an idealist, or maybe I might know how things work a little better than you do, or maybe I've got a little bit more experience where it counts - I think that this thread has seen it made clear several times that the player in question struggles a great deal. If an appeal is made and it is successful, then everything is stricken from their record. If not, it stays.

You may not see the value of a clean record - but I can tell you that a LOT of people in this thread dream of one. I've spent eight years with just one informal warning, and that suits me fine - others have erred, and some have paid dearly for that.

I am more of a realist. I recognize that he struggles a great deal, but Tex seems to be undermining his appeal by trying to reincriminate himself, and combined with the fact the appeal took waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long to write, I think he ought to live with the consequences.

I know I see the value of a clean record: I got DEATed about six years ago because I was trolling as Khorata, and I have a lot of warnings (and bans) in the past. But I think after a while, you just need to accept the consequences, because writing an appeal to appeal your warning ten years ago for spamming will just waste your time.

Hence, a two week window seems appropriate, even if I feel that it is too long.

He was never highly involved in DEN to be given a copy, and even if he was somehow given a rogue copy, he would have needed authorisation to actually use it. It's plain as anything that neither occurred.

The former did occur according to Texasa's story. He had Predator on his computer but never ran it.

I suggest you read my appeal posted by Texasa in this forum: viewtopic.php?p=29048003#p29048003

This contains all of the relevant details known at the time I wrote it. Since then, we found out that FOREVERDEN gave Texasa predator and Gest told Texasa to delete predator from his computer.

Except Gest never did that. Tex never joined DEN until February, according to Gest, yet Tex claims that Gest told him to delete "Predator" in late January.

Another user claims that Tex never even heard of Gest until Gest showed up in this very thread.

Even General Knot has said that that part of the story is not even remotely true.

So yeah. With all the overwhelming evidence against that claim, you may need to try finding more evidence to back your assertions up. And to that, I say "good luck."

[Klaus Devestatorie]

So, because it's related- we're less than a week away from the 3 monthers concluding their WA bans. For those under those bans that are still reading, how do you feel about that? Any plans? What's the odds on this thread still going when Varax/Festavo (and any others that were extended?) get unbanned?

[CoraSpia]

So, because it's related- we're less than a week away from the 3 monthers concluding their WA bans. For those under those bans that are still reading, how do you feel about that? Any plans?

my guess is raiding restarts

[Tim-Opolis]

So, because it's related- we're less than a week away from the 3 monthers concluding their WA bans. For those under those bans that are still reading, how do you feel about that? Any plans?

my guess is raiding restarts

Raiding never stopped. There'll just be a few more updaters on the field now.

[Zacherie]

So, because it's related- we're less than a week away from the 3 monthers concluding their WA bans. For those under those bans that are still reading, how do you feel about that? Any plans? What's the odds on this thread still going when Varax/Festavo (and any others that were extended?) get unbanned?

I am ecstatic, and I think that this thread should have died a month ago.

Raiding never stopped. There'll just be a few more updaters on the field now.

And more ROs on our ops

[Vando0sa]

I think Sedge mentioned this up-thread, but he "confessed," and we followed up with some specific questions which he answered, which resulted in his punishment. If you want to confess to rule breaking, we will punish you. Same goes if anyone wants to claim to be a secret puppet of Frak, etc. I'll willingly nuke your nation accordingly, despite personal skepticism that [popular GP player] is secretly Frak.

That seems a lot simpler suicide by mod than going on insane rants across the forum, porn spamming the forum etc.

Also for those who have received WA bans etc. will they get some kind of notification when it ends, so they don't end up going an hour early, and getting another 3 months.

Pretty sure we should be free on July third (least most of us). I'ma GHR poke mods on that day to confirm just to be safe though.

[Reploid Productions]

That seems a lot simpler suicide by mod than going on insane rants across the forum, porn spamming the forum etc.

Also for those who have received WA bans etc. will they get some kind of notification when it ends, so they don't end up going an hour early, and getting another 3 months.

Pretty sure we should be free on July third (least most of us). I'ma GHR poke mods on that day to confirm just to be safe though.

Probably a good idea, since the WA ban toggle, much like RMB/TG bans isn't automated and we'll have to lift them manually. x_x

[Almonaster Nuevo]

So should we expect some fireworks on the 4th of July?

[Luziyca]

So, because it's related- we're less than a week away from the 3 monthers concluding their WA bans. For those under those bans that are still reading, how do you feel about that? Any plans? What's the odds on this thread still going when Varax/Festavo (and any others that were extended?) get unbanned?

I think this thread would last as long as a typical US Presidential campaign.

So about two-three years.

[General Knot]

Pretty sure we should be free on July third (least most of us). I'ma GHR poke mods on that day to confirm just to be safe though.

Probably a good idea, since the WA ban toggle, much like RMB/TG bans isn't automated and we'll have to lift them manually. x_x

This thread was posted at 12:31 AM PDT on April 2, 2016. Won't Round 1 be ending on 12:31 AM PDT on July 2, 2016?

[Vando0sa]

So should we expect some fireworks on the 4th of July?

A July 4'th raid would be nice.. only I'll have to wait till the 5'th since I am pretty sure I won't be sober enough to raid the night of the 4th..

So, because it's related- we're less than a week away from the 3 monthers concluding their WA bans. For those under those bans that are still reading, how do you feel about that? Any plans? What's the odds on this thread still going when Varax/Festavo (and any others that were extended?) get unbanned?

I've considered everything from retirement to joining Benevolent Thomas's group in the last 3 months.. Now that I've had time to thing I feel I should stick to being a raider. already have the infamy so might as well. Trying to go defender would be nearly impossible. I'm too chaotic and defenders won't likely trust me anyway.

Right now it looks like I'll work with TWP as top priority and just tag raid with Hydra when no TWP operations are going on. Maybe join other regions operations if TWP and Hydra are not active and I just happen to be online.

I am really impressed with Thomas's fighting force.. can't wait to play with them!

[Block II]

I'm sure my ban will lift 12:31 AM PDT on April 2, 2017?

[Drop Your Pants]

I'm sure my ban will lift 12:31 AM PDT on April 2, 2017?

By the way you've been going, i'm surprised you're still here

[Sedgistan]

Texasa finally managed to submit a coherent appeal a few days ago; this has been granted - his WA ban has been removed, and his main nation can be restored.

Regarding removal of bans upon expiry, these will need to be done manually, and will be done at some point on the day following their expiry. Don't rely on them being removed the second they end.

[Vando0sa]

Texasa finally managed to submit a coherent appeal a few days ago; this has been granted - his WA ban has been removed, and his main nation can be restored.

Regarding removal of bans upon expiry, these will need to be done manually, and will be done at some point on the day following their expiry. Don't rely on them being removed the second they end.

Okie! I'll sit here and be very nice and polite while staring at your wings.

Almost over! *squeaks and glows with excitement*