The East Pacific

[Xoriet]

Ram, why didn't you tell the group that ultimately and unanimously agreed on the decision to cut the treaty that we had behind-the-scenes schemes in place instead of sincerely having issues with the aforementioned circumstances? Where's the equality?

[British Grand Pacific]

Ram, why didn't you tell the group that ultimately and unanimously agreed on the decision to cut the treaty that we had behind-the-scenes schemes in place instead of sincerely having issues with the aforementioned circumstances? Where's the equality?

Cut Ram some slack, Xor. The Loligarchy bookclub was busy discussing Paradise Found and tuned him out.

[Ramaeus]

The old "The delegate is the problem - not the region" rhetoric trick - hope the rest of the region will put the flame under Funk's feet enough that you'll get your way. Had enough political outsiders try to do that towards me in the UDL to know that The East Pacific and other outsiders are probably not the best authority to tell other regions who they should consider a bad leader of theirs.

Except the Delegate is the problem. Funkadelia has demonstrated a complete lack of tact and decorum towards The East Pacific since the start of the Lazarus-Osiris war, which you would have understood were you not interested in satisfying your petty grudge against us.

Funk does incredible work in Lazarus and has been frustrated with TEP's political posturing (like this) for weeks. TEP has acted more like a region trying to stir up political trouble than an ally to Lazarus.

Explaining our reasons for cancelling a treaty qualifies as political posturing?

Furthermore, Aperi has been very busy from RL stuff - anyone could have told you that. Ending relations over some detags is -ridiculous-.

And yet, no notification from Aperi was received. Not even a message that could have been easily delegated to someone else. Moreover, this serves as an example of a repeated pattern of carelessness, a lack of communication, and a lack of respect from Lazarus.

There is almost certainly something else going on here behind the scenes - the canned nonsense being used here to justify this treaty dissolution is about as convincing as an Onderkelkia lecture on Regional Sovereignty.

Peddle your conspiracy theories to someone who cares, because I do not.

[Todd McCloud]

The old "The delegate is the problem - not the region" rhetoric trick

I've heard that said about a particular sinker region dozens of times. I'll let everyone guess which region that is.

There is almost certainly something else going on here behind the scenes - the canned nonsense being used here to justify this treaty dissolution is about as convincing as an Onderkelkia lecture on Regional Sovereignty.

There is - Elvis and Bigfoot are having tea with us right now. Like right now. And as far as this is concerned, why does the delegate of TRR, which was never a part of the goings-on in this treaty dissolution, suddenly feel the need to adopt massive loads of bias and attempt to divide regions? Especially considering what was discussed at that conference?

[PrussianEmpire]

Uni dear, is your tin foil hat on a bit too tight? Is it applying too much pressure to your brain, thus interfering with the region of the brain that produces logic thoughts?

[British Grand Pacific]

The old "The delegate is the problem - not the region" rhetoric trick

I've heard that said about a particular sinker region dozens of times. I'll let everyone guess which region that is.

There is almost certainly something else going on here behind the scenes - the canned nonsense being used here to justify this treaty dissolution is about as convincing as an Onderkelkia lecture on Regional Sovereignty.

There is - Elvis and Bigfoot are having tea with us right now. Like right now. And as far as this is concerned, why does the delegate of TRR, which was never a part of the goings-on in this treaty dissolution, suddenly feel the need to adopt massive loads of bias and attempt to divide regions? Especially considering what was discussed at that conference?

This is true. I have tea with Elvis daily. It was a little cold this morning, though. Pretty sure some old coot was writing a letter about it.

[Grandpa Snowman]

The so-called defenders from TEP are really just invaders who attack other invaders and expect to be worshipped because they are against invaders. For example, they intercept our refound and then pretend they just saved the world, when in reality, they saved literally no one. Such was the case in Jedi vs Sith.

[Grandpa Snowman]

They call it a "liberation"

[PrussianEmpire]

lulwut?

We're not fendas or raiders or Imps.

Fairly certain you're confusing us with someone else.

[British Grand Pacific]

I remember him now! He was irritated we gave him warnings for adspam while all other GCR banhammered him.

[PrussianEmpire]

They call it a "liberation"

It would be called since this allegedly happened in the past.

[Deadeye Jack]

The so-called defenders from TEP are really just invaders who attack other invaders and expect to be worshipped because they are against invaders. For example, they intercept our refound and then pretend they just saved the world, when in reality, they saved literally no one. Such was the case in Jedi vs Sith.

The people that stopped your refound were TITO mostly

[Xoriet]

The so-called defenders from TEP are really just invaders who attack other invaders and expect to be worshipped because they are against invaders. For example, they intercept our refound and then pretend they just saved the world, when in reality, they saved literally no one. Such was the case in Jedi vs Sith.

Hi Grandpa Snow! The EPSA is not specifically defender, silly. We play on all sides of the field! As you personally may have discovered in Vermont a while back during your failed refound attempt, liberations are included in this.

Lovely of you to show up and comment. See you on the field~

[Unibot III]

Except the Delegate is the problem. Funkadelia has demonstrated a complete lack of tact and decorum towards The East Pacific since the start of the Lazarus-Osiris war, which you would have understood were you not interested in satisfying your petty grudge against us.

Another "petty grudge" accusation - are you incapable of defending yourself from attack without trying to discredit the person criticizing your government?

Explaining our reasons for cancelling a treaty qualifies as political posturing?

Geopolitics - if you, say, want to align TEP with Osiris in the war, you'll need to find ways to deliberately burn TEP-Lazarus relations while trying to paint the blame on Lazarus. Hence the half-baked reasons for a treaty dissolution - that's a common symptom of geopolitics and political posturing: you have to manufacture a political crisis to protect TEP's image during the about-face.

And yet, no notification from Aperi was received. Not even a message that could have been easily delegated to someone else. Moreover, this serves as an example of a repeated pattern of carelessness, a lack of communication, and a lack of respect from Lazarus.

I just said: Aperi has some major RL issues going on. Which is why "no notification from Aperi". I'm good friends with Karpathos and I haven't been able to get a hold of him in like three weeks (maybe a month). I doubt very much he was "ignoring" you.

[Xoriet]

Explaining our reasons for cancelling a treaty qualifies as political posturing?

Geopolitics - if you, say, want to align TEP with Osiris in the war, you'll need to find ways to deliberately burn TEP-Lazarus relations while trying to paint the blame on Lazarus. Hence the half-ass reasons for a treaty dissolution - that's a common symptom of geopolitics and political posturing: you have to manufacture a political crisis to protect TEP's image during the about-face.

Uni...I'm just going to say this as nicely as I can, and it's going to go completely over your head because you continually refuse to listen to something that contradicts your view of the world, but it needs to be said.

TEP had no intention, has no intention, and will have no intention of entering this war all of you are so fired up about unless the circumstances written out in our first statement on the war are enacted. We did not want to join in from the start. We still are not siding with anyone, and Osiris respects that we do not wish to enter into this conflict redolent with acts of public bravado, essay-long posts, and general shows of ego. But no, you can't accept facts from TEP because you are so utterly obsessed with the idea of us participating in underhanded politics that you can't seem to take anything from us at face value.

We have been honest about our reasons. Whether or not you want to continue to sling mud at us or perpetually devise your own twisted little stories of our "true motives" to fuel your dislike of TEP, that fact does not change.

[PrussianEmpire]

Explaining our reasons for cancelling a treaty qualifies as political posturing?

Geopolitics - if you, say, want to align TEP with Osiris in the war, you'll need to find ways to deliberately burn TEP-Lazarus relations while trying to paint the blame on Lazarus. Hence the half-baked reasons for a treaty dissolution - that's a common symptom of geopolitics and political posturing: you have to manufacture a political crisis to protect TEP's image during the about-face.

So you're essentially saying that since we broke ties with a region because they f***ed up bad in their FA department and have shown no course of action to fix the issues committed that we're now taking sides in a fight? I'm going to be honest, we're still working on our own war right now. We're *not* getting involved in another at this moment. Also, how is it manufacturing if our decision was based on facts and logic? See Unibot, not all of us have to lie out of our teeth and manipulate people to play NS. Some people play this game honestly and try to actually build real, solid relationships with people. Finally, Lazarus can speak for itself. Until I see an act that appoints you chief communicator for the FA department of Lazarus, I don't wish to hear anymore out of you on this subject.
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Until you choose to listen to any logical arguments and until you can produce EVIDENCE to support your asinine assertions, I highly recommend you suspend your crusade against The East Pacific. I'd like to note that you started this crusade when charges were filed against you and though they have since been dropped, you still are riding around on your dead horse attempting to beat nonsense into the NS GP community. Ramaeus showed you mercy and compassion and all you could do was show the region the finger. You had your chance at redemption and you failed. Move on.

[Unibot III]

Uni...I'm just going to say this as nicely as I can, and it's going to go completely over your head because you continually refuse to listen to something that contradicts your view of the world, but it needs to be said.

I am listening, that's why I know I'm right. All the evidence (denials are not counter-evidence) points to my theory, not some grand "TEP is politically innocent" theory here.

If TEP were re-positioning itself, there are people like Ramaeus and Todd who would know about it - and there would be people kept in the dark about the reasons and fed a bunch of spin with the hope of getting them on their side. They're smart enough not to keep you in the loop with their politics - you wouldn't stand for it. However, you would defend TEP to the end of existence if you thought it was in the right. Dangerous stuff, manipulation and loyalty is.

[PrussianEmpire]

Fortunately for us, Ramaeus and Todd are good people who wouldn't attempted to manipulate an entire region. Also, TEP is blessed to be one of the few GCRs not to have underhanded/behind peoples backs politics. We actually care about one another and are friends.

[Severisen]

If TEP were re-positioning itself, there are people like Ramaeus and Todd who would know about it - and there would be people kept in the dark about the reasons and fed a bunch of spin with the hope of getting them on their side. They're smart enough not to keep you in the loop with their politics - you wouldn't stand for it. However, you would defend TEP to the end of existence if you thought it was in the right. Dangerous stuff, manipulation and loyalty is.

Your insinuation and mud-slinging are sickening. Would you like to provide proof for those accusations or will you just continue to snipe?

[Ramaeus]

I am listening, that's why I know I'm right. All the evidence (denials are not counter-evidence) points to my theory, not some grand "TEP is politically innocent" theory here.

If TEP were re-positioning itself, there are people like Ramaeus and Todd who would know about it - and there would be people kept in the dark about the reasons and fed a bunch of spin with the hope of getting them on their side. They're smart enough not to keep you in the loop with their politics - you wouldn't stand for it. However, you would defend TEP to the end of existence if you thought it was in the right. Dangerous stuff, manipulation and loyalty is.

You seem incapable of realizing that a Defender's behavior is quite capable of driving people away, especially after what happened within our region during the Defender Act Episode. Now, your ignorance about how I run the executive branch of The East Pacific is appalling and immensely insulting. You're accusing me of manipulating a region that I have poured a year of my life into, and manipulating people that I am quite close to. That is incredibly insulting, Unibot.

And now to your appalling ignorance. I keep most every ambassador in the loop with regards to significant foreign affairs moves, especially moves that will either affect their post personally, or affect their post in a more general manor (GCR ambassadors), and I consult the Magisterium regularly on FA moves that they will need to vote on. There is no grand conspiracy going on. What you're seeing is a well-informed government that actually agrees with and likes each other. A foreign concept to you, no doubt.

[Todd McCloud]

Uni...I'm just going to say this as nicely as I can, and it's going to go completely over your head because you continually refuse to listen to something that contradicts your view of the world, but it needs to be said.

I am listening, that's why I know I'm right. All the evidence (denials are not counter-evidence) points to my theory, not some grand "TEP is politically innocent" theory here.

If TEP were re-positioning itself, there are people like Ramaeus and Todd who would know about it - and there would be people kept in the dark about the reasons and fed a bunch of spin with the hope of getting them on their side. They're smart enough not to keep you in the loop with their politics - you wouldn't stand for it. However, you would defend TEP to the end of existence if you thought it was in the right. Dangerous stuff, manipulation and loyalty is.

I guess when all else fails, try bringing up some tired old rhetoric about how it's x, y, and z's fault, right? I'm going to cut to the quick. You manipulated people in TEP to try and make them a defender region. You alienated others and attempted to divide the region. Then people realized this and that you were using them to try and get their votes. They got mad, you got mad (or maybe it was the other way around), and they put you on trial, which didn't ever actually happen. We weren't 100% innocent - no one was. But we've moved on. If anyone from TEP wants to add anything to that, or wants to correct me, go ahead and do so.

Your anger at TEP and certain members within it is getting annoying and is kind of like your anger at TSP before you re-joined them. It shows in your posts and attitudes. This continues to be an issue because you simply won't drop it. Furthermore, you won't own up to it either. I think that's what's most vexing, really. That and the fact that prior to this mess, you were okay with us. Heck, you and I co-hosted World Fairs even. But suddenly, suddenly when TEP rejects something you tried to shove on their plates, well, that makes us the bad guys. In particular, that makes me the bad guy. And for what? Because TEP didn't want to become a defender region? Because you didn't like their neutrality? If that's enough to make someone despise a group of people for... what is it, seven months now? Then this is a little too much for what's supposed to be a game where you have fun.

Well, I've forgiven you and moved on. I think most of the region has moved on in their own way. But it seems to me that you have not. I suggest that you do.

[Bachtendekuppen]

If TEP were re-positioning itself, there are people like Ramaeus and Todd who would know about it - and there would be people kept in the dark about the reasons and fed a bunch of spin with the hope of getting them on their side. They're smart enough not to keep you in the loop with their politics - you wouldn't stand for it. However, you would defend TEP to the end of existence if you thought it was in the right. Dangerous stuff, manipulation and loyalty is.

I do hope, I really do, you'll realize how ridiculous you sound when you type up things like this. Whatever advisers you have around you in TRR, if any, they're not doing their jobs properly.

You have no idea how thoroughly these kind of decisions are consulted on by various branches of government. Not only has the full cabinet a say, but a whole range of Viziers, ex-Delegates, the Magisters and the Conclave are involved when big decisions need to be taken. TEP is not run by one or two scheming fanatics and honestly, it would never function if it were.

Now, hold on to your own opinions and theories if you wish to. I'm not one to force people in to believing me.

What I do hope is you can bring up the basic politeness not to derail every thread involving a TEP official. Remember you have a region to represent. Someone could get the wrong idea and assume TRR is all about attacking it's fellow GCR's lately.

[Applebania]

Uni...I'm just going to say this as nicely as I can, and it's going to go completely over your head because you continually refuse to listen to something that contradicts your view of the world, but it needs to be said.

I am listening, that's why I know I'm right. All the evidence (denials are not counter-evidence) points to my theory, not some grand "TEP is politically innocent" theory here.

If TEP were re-positioning itself, there are people like Ramaeus and Todd who would know about it - and there would be people kept in the dark about the reasons and fed a bunch of spin with the hope of getting them on their side. They're smart enough not to keep you in the loop with their politics - you wouldn't stand for it. However, you would defend TEP to the end of existence if you thought it was in the right. Dangerous stuff, manipulation and loyalty is.

Two questions:

1. Do you know how ridiculous you sound with this?

2. If you answered yes to 1, do you care?

Because as it stands now that post is a big pile of LOLWUT.

[Cormac A Stark]

Ending relations over some detags is -ridiculous-.

Hey, remember when you berated the North Pacific Army -- with expletives! -- for detagging regions without pre-coordinating it with the UDL? Fun times.

In regard to your latest round of conspiracy theories, I will simply ask: Who is Mcmasterdonia this week? You have a bad habit of making extremely outlandish claims and when those claims can't be disproven because they're so preposterous that no evidence exists either way, you insist that means you're right even though you offered not one shred of proof either. You've done it again and again, and we've all seen it. Hilarious as it is, enough already.

Although, thank you for taking the heat off of me for the Most Irrational Sinker Delegate Award.

[Xoriet]

Uni...I'm just going to say this as nicely as I can, and it's going to go completely over your head because you continually refuse to listen to something that contradicts your view of the world, but it needs to be said.

I am listening, that's why I know I'm right. All the evidence (denials are not counter-evidence) points to my theory, not some grand "TEP is politically innocent" theory here.

Your post here proves my statement entirely. If something contradicts your view of the world, you won't hear it. It goes in one ear and out the other, because you take one sentence in a reply which you can manipulate to further your own cause and use that to spout theories that do you no credit. You are listening, you say. So what, or who, are you listening to?

How many people believe that there is substance your theory, and how long did it take you to persuade them that you, as always, simply cannot be wrong, even if you know nothing about the day-to-day discussions and operations of the government which you so love to decry? We are a democracy. We sit down and discuss the issues at hand. Our decision where Lazarus is concerned was unanimous. Ramaeus is neither foolish nor corrupt enough to make region-altering decisions without the full approval of the our government and representative bodies - Magisterium, Conclave, Executive, Ambassadors all. He respects and values our opinions. Ramaeus does not act without thinking, does not make a move in TEP without first informing the entirety of the government. Can every single other delegate out there claim that they take infinite care to keep their region in the loop, and both accept and carefully consider criticism from their region before they act? And if they do claim that, how often will it be completely true?

Whether or not you are prepared to admit it, Ramaeus has been a great Delegate for TEP, Unibot. Our Delegate gives his best efforts to representing his region well, knowing that he is the face of TEP to the general public as long as he is Delegate. He has the full support and backing of his government and region. We respect, love, and trust him, because he would not lie to the region as in this grand theory you have concocted. How can we provide evidence to prove you wrong when there is no basis to your claim? From where can we possibly find something that does not, and never will, exist? You have implied that Todd and Ramaeus are corrupt and are willing to lie to TEP to achieve their own agendas. But you know, Unibot, you simply cannot admit that you are wrong. No matter what you may think or peddle to the average uninformed person to win support, the people of TEP know the truth of this, and, with or without your acceptance, will continue on as we are.