NationStates

Esteemed Delegates of Nationstates-

It has come to my attention that you are endorsing the proposal "Liberate The Black Riders." Now, as one of the nations named within said proposal, I'm sure your first thought is that I am by no means an unbiased source to be writing to you about this, but please- hear me out.

Let's cover some background here - The Black Riders was indeed a Raider region, founded by raider, lived in by raiders, and home to a unique community. Several months ago, the founder was deleted due to rulebreaking unknown to the rest of the region, and a mob of other players moved into the region to seize control. This effort was not supported by the international community, due to it's nature as a glorified raid itself.

Now to cover the proposal:

The body states "Realizing that since the untimely demise of the regional founder Black Riders Commander also known as General Halcones, the region has become susceptible to further greifing and long term occupation."

Indeed, it has. This is exactly why the effort to secure it with a military force is so important. I have not tolerated hateful speech towards either side in the region (indeed removing some of my own support), and, you may note, have allowed those who have communicated with me or endorsed me to stay for the time being. The only nations removed have been those refusing to even acknowledge the regional rules. Also, I believe "Griefing" is spelled wrong, if anyone knows who the anonymous author is and wishes to inform them.

The proposal continues "Distraught that since the fall of General Halcones, the region has suffered two catastrophic invasions at the hands of a multiregional force led by United German Regions, and now The Black Hawks,

Cognizant of the fact several former members of The Black Riders now affiliated with DEN, along with members of The Black Hawks infiltrated the reformed government of The Black Riders and rigged elections placing them in positions of power allowing them to effectively take full control of the region."

Indeed, the region was invaded in an effort led by UGR, founder of another region. When he abruptly abandoned the region after removing many native members, it fell into a chaos picked up by Pontacium, who attempted to hand the region over to a former rider he was in communication with by abruptly resigning as well, after purging the members of UGR's government from the region. This was the point where former natives of the region, remaining there in disguise, stepped up. To say the government was "infiltrated" is unfair - we built the government from the ground, and without us the internal squabbles and lack of effort or organization would have likely prevented the government from ever becoming a reality. On the note of the "second invasion," I would propose that is a poor term - at best, we would word the effort as a "counter-invasion," an invasion of a region already under occupation. If this sounds familiar, it would be because this is essential a liberation under a different skin. Due to this fact, we've even seen some defender support in our efforts, including from the East Pacific Sovereign Army (who's at-the-time leader Xoriet openly called the effort a liberation on the RMB) and famous defender of antiquity, Drop Your Pants, who until recently was endorsing me as well.

"Fully aware that the current delegate The Ever-Wandering Souls of Harenhime also known as The Nuclear Winter Wonderlands of Ever-Wandering Souls a high ranking member of The Black Hawks has full intentions of locking this region down, thus preventing free entry into the region."

I do indeed intend to lock the region down to prevent any future invasion, as supported by those who originally founded and habituated the region.

"Cognizant that this Council is dedicated to the goal of preserving of inter-regional peace and goodwill."

If the outpouring of support as shown in the current WFE of The Black Riders is not representative of international goodwill towards the current regime, I'm not sure what is.

"Believing that by keeping this region open, the international community will benefit."

And how, exactly, will the international community benefit from this effort? There is currently no password in place, for starters, and not many people seem to be interested in coming there as is. What will "the international community" do? Raid it again like UGR did? Hold conventions there? There has already been a convention held there under the current system. There is no way that this region benefits the community as anything other than locked down memorial, as the original natives agree, and I intend to carry out.

In conclusion, I'd go so far as to say this proposal is, at heart, an incredible case of double standards. If any other region's native populace has secured their home region after an invasion, an effort to make that region open to attack by the world at large would be laughable, not near reaching queue in mere hours. The already community decided months ago, when all efforts to liberate the region under the UGR regime failed, that this region was apparently not worth liberating from any raid. I would beg of you, please do not further this double standard. Please do not set an example of liberating a native-controlled region so international forces can play with it at will. Please, take a moment, and remove support from this proposal.

Thank you for your time.

- Ever-Wandering Souls

The Kiss Master wrote:
The Security Council,

Recalling The Black Riders as an region dedicated to the griefing and destruction of the international community,

Realizing that since the untimely demise of the regional founder Black Riders Commander also known as General Halcones, the region has become susceptible to further greifing and long term occupation,

Distraught that since the fall of General Halcones, the region has suffered two catastrophic invasions at the hands of a multiregional force led by United German Regions, and now The Black Hawks,

Cognizant of the fact several former members of The Black Riders now affiliated with DEN, along with members of The Black Hawks infiltrated the reformed government of The Black Riders and rigged elections placing them in positions of power allowing them to effectively take full control of the region,

Fully aware that the current delegate Harenhime also known as Ever-Wandering Souls a high ranking member of The Black Hawks has full intentions of locking this region down, thus preventing free entry into the region,

Cognizant that this Council is dedicated to the goal of preserving of inter-regional peace and goodwill,

Believing that by keeping this region open, the international community will benefit,

Distraught that since the fall of General Halcones, the region has suffered two catastrophic invasions at the hands of a multiregional force led by United German Regions, and now The Black Hawks,

Cognizant of the fact several former members of The Black Riders now affiliated with DEN, along with members of The Black Hawks infiltrated the reformed government of The Black Riders and rigged elections placing them in positions of power allowing them to effectively take full control of the region,

the region has suffered two catastrophic invasions at the hands of a multiregional force led by United German Regions... several former members ... infiltrated the reformed government

We Are Not The ATF wrote:If this was happening in any other region, nobody would try to stop a refound. In my experience, the WA usually helps the natives refound after their region is liberated.

Khanuvar wrote:Why is this even a thing? It's our region not yours, we took it back from a hostile invading force. You have no right to dictate what we do with it. This is a gross misuse of power by the corrupt tyrants of the WA.

We Are Not The ATF wrote:If this is the case, then this is possibly the most immature use of the World Assembly that I have ever seen.

Ramaeus wrote:I, naturally, am against this and will vote accordingly. The longest-serving Delegate of the "new natives" -- the force which occupied TBR -- was actually a sleeper for raiders attempting to reclaim the region from the invading force. The raiders successfully liberated TBR from the force previously occupying the region. Your attempt (a poor one, might I add) to manipulate events to suit your unique brand of "defenderdom" will hopefully fail miserably.

Xoriet wrote:The mighty have fallen significantly if they're trying to help natives with identity issues take back a region that does not belong to them at all. Really, Chester? You're going to try and enable unjust invasion by interfering in what is raider territory? Those angry natives who raided The Black Riders the moment it was vulnerable became raiders on that very day. You are supporting a raid against raiders...out of spite? For the amusement? For the sake of getting another proposal passed?

Whatever your reason, you need to understand the simple fact: This is wrong.

This region belongs to the raiders. They are the real natives of this region. In essence you are "liberating" a region from its own natives. I may potentially even be alone on this issue in the defender sphere, but I do not support attempts to stop natives from refounding or protecting their present or former home. You are merely justifying a long-held belief that the SC is nothing but a manipulable defender tool.

More than that, you are obstructing something that you would not obstruct any other community from.

This is no better than any other SC attempt to use the power of the WA to stop anyone with a raider label from a basic right that you would grant any other community simply out of spite.

How much native support do you have for this, Chester? I mean the real natives of The Black Riders.

Tristiania wrote:An anonymous puppet this time, Chester?

We Are Not The ATF wrote:I love how even after its death the SC is still biased against TBR. If this was happening in any other region, nobody would try to stop a refound. In my experience, the WA usually helps the natives refound after their region is liberated.

My favorite part of this is that I'll probably be the only one who asks the standard liberation question: does it have native support?

The Kiss Master wrote:

Xoriet wrote:The mighty have fallen significantly if they're trying to help natives with identity issues take back a region that does not belong to them at all. Really, Chester? You're going to try and enable unjust invasion by interfering in what is raider territory? Those angry natives who raided The Black Riders the moment it was vulnerable became raiders on that very day. You are supporting a raid against raiders...out of spite? For the amusement? For the sake of getting another proposal passed?

Whatever your reason, you need to understand the simple fact: This is wrong.

This region belongs to the raiders. They are the real natives of this region. In essence you are "liberating" a region from its own natives. I may potentially even be alone on this issue in the defender sphere, but I do not support attempts to stop natives from refounding or protecting their present or former home. You are merely justifying a long-held belief that the SC is nothing but a manipulable defender tool.

More than that, you are obstructing something that you would not obstruct any other community from.

This is no better than any other SC attempt to use the power of the WA to stop anyone with a raider label from a basic right that you would grant any other community simply out of spite.

How much native support do you have for this, Chester? I mean the real natives of The Black Riders.

Who are you talking about and why should I care?

Ambroscus Koth wrote: The double standard here is unreal.

The Kiss Master wrote:

We Are Not The ATF wrote:If this was happening in any other region, nobody would try to stop a refound. In my experience, the WA usually helps the natives refound after their region is liberated.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... ?start=108

The Kiss Master wrote:Curious. I seem to remember you championing the cause to liberate NE. Its all good and well when a region starts affecting GCR's, that they can use the SC for their purpose. I guess it is a different thing when us little guys are continually having our region raided over and over. We should just go it on our own?