[PASSED] World Space Administration

[Mousebumples]

Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Bitely

Description: NOTING the interest that humanity has of exploring the cosmos.

RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore the universe.

REALIZING the need for further research and development of equipment for efficient cosmic travel.

FURTHER realizing the safety risks cosmic space travel creates.

DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory.

FURTHER demanding no member state shall knowingly allow a spacecraft to operate if it has fallen into disrepair.

THE World Assembly hereby Establishes the "World Space Administration" herein referred to as "W.S.A."

COMMISSIONING the W.S.A. to:

i. preform cosmos research and development.

ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).

iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote WA ideals through the cosmos.

iv. Preform missions of exploration through the cosmos.

v. Create cosmos travel bylaws and policies.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.

FORBIDDING the W.S.A. to:

i. create, maintain or assemble a military.

ii. form and maintain a cosmic police force.

FUNDING for the W.S.A. will come from the WA fund and VOLUNTARY contributions from member states.

Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Bitely

Description: NOTING the interest that humanity has of exploring the cosmos.

RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore the universe.

REALIZING the need for further research and development of equipment for efficient cosmic travel.

THE World Assembly hereby Establishes the "World Space Administration" herein referred to as "W.S.A."

COMMISSIONING the W.S.A. to:

i. preform cosmos research and development.

ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).

iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote WA ideals through the cosmos.

iv. Preform missions of exploration through the cosmos.

v. Create cosmos travel bylaws and policies.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.

FORBIDDING the W.S.A. to:

i. create, maintain or assemble a military.

ii. form and maintain a cosmic police force.

FUNDING for the W.S.A. will come from the WA fund and VOLUNTARY contributions from member states.

Was surprised to find no topic for it here. Has been submitted, and is being campaigned for.

Edit: Updated following resubmission.

[Kaboomlandia]

Pretty sure this is illegal. Committee only.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Pretty sure this is illegal. Committee only.

i. preform cosmos research and development.

ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).

iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote WA ideals through the cosmos.

iv. Preform missions of exploration through the cosmos.

v. Create cosmos travel bylaws and policies.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.

Bollocks.

[Separatist Peoples]

Pretty sure this is illegal. Committee only.

i. preform cosmos research and development.

ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).

iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote WA ideals through the cosmos.

iv. Preform missions of exploration through the cosmos.

v. Create cosmos travel bylaws and policies.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.

Bollocks.

OOC: in a completely shocking turn of events, Kaboomlandia is correct. Those duties seem to pertain to the committee, not member states. Now, excuse me, as I have to go check with my neighbor the pastor for evidence that hell has frozen over. Might help with global warming.

[Bitely]

Committees

Committees (tribunals, agencies, organizations, bodies etc) are designed to carry out specific duties related to the proposals. Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

Committee Rules:
Membership on the committee is reserved for mystical WA gnomes who spring into existence after the proposal becomes law
For this reason a proposal cannot define:
Who can and cannot sit on the committee
How members are chosen
Term limits for the members
Committees are bound by the "meta-gaming" rules
Acronyms for committees must not be used to brand a proposal
A committee continues to exist when its Resolution is repealed if it has been used in another Resolution
A single-use committee that died when its Resolution was repealed may be resurrected for a relevant new proposal

added a couple clauses so it would be compliant.

[Separatist Peoples]

Committees

Committees (tribunals, agencies, organizations, bodies etc) are designed to carry out specific duties related to the proposals. Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

Committee Rules:
Membership on the committee is reserved for mystical WA gnomes who spring into existence after the proposal becomes law
For this reason a proposal cannot define:
Who can and cannot sit on the committee
How members are chosen
Term limits for the members
Committees are bound by the "meta-gaming" rules
Acronyms for committees must not be used to brand a proposal
A committee continues to exist when its Resolution is repealed if it has been used in another Resolution
A single-use committee that died when its Resolution was repealed may be resurrected for a relevant new proposal

first off shouldn't isnt can't.
Second the proposal does more than just creating a committee.

OOC: and yet mods still remove committee only resolutions! Funny that.

It creates and empowers a committee. If you remove the parts that have to do with the committee you are only left with your preambulatory clauses, none of which are operative. Even if this wasn't illegal, it's still a terrible and vague proposal.

[Wallenburg]

I love space programs, but this won't and shouldn't work out. Besides, you say that this Administration cannot create a military or police force but somehow expect it to create and enforce laws of space travel.

[Caracasus]

We have noted, with some concern, that this has reached quorum. Sometimes we wonder if it might be best if nations could not just post a proposal straight up, but were forced to draft it on the WA page first.

[Kryozerkia]

It's been yanked for a committee-only violation.

Adding a mandate to direction compel nations to carry out actions related to this would resolve it - and the funding clause is not a mandate clause. For your mandate, you can encourage members to train individuals for space exploration or to conduct joint/co-operative operations to further scientific understanding.

[Ratateague]

Obvious illegalities aside, a committee that both creates spacecrafts for us, conducts space missions for us, and writes the bylaws for us? Can they do that?

[Losthaven]

Obvious illegalities aside, a committee that both creates spacecrafts for us, conducts space missions for us, and writes the bylaws for us? Can they do that?

If you're asking if this is a "Bloody Stupid" proposal - one that's so far out there that it should not even have its subject matter voted on - I'd say this definitely is not illegal under that rule.

It's not like the proposal establishes a committee that creates sandwiches for member nations, conducts missions to place sandwiches in the lunch boxes of school children, and writes bylaws about the appropriate use, handling, and consumption of WA sandwiches. Space exploration is sufficiently serious to not be "bloody stupid," unless they start requiring that all WA spacecraft be painted buttercup yellow and stocked with an appropriate number of sandwiches for delivery to interstellar school children. Subject to the conditions listed in bylaws Chapter 37, Section 8A, verse 901, line lxiv.

When's lunch...

[Caracasus]

Obvious illegalities aside, a committee that both creates spacecrafts for us, conducts space missions for us, and writes the bylaws for us? Can they do that?

If you're asking if this is a "Bloody Stupid" proposal - one that's so far out there that it should not even have its subject matter voted on - I'd say this definitely is not illegal under that rule.

It's not like the proposal establishes a committee that creates sandwiches for member nations, conducts missions to place sandwiches in the lunch boxes of school children, and writes bylaws about the appropriate use, handling, and consumption of WA sandwiches. Space exploration is sufficiently serious to not be "bloody stupid," unless they start requiring that all WA spacecraft be painted buttercup yellow and stocked with an appropriate number of sandwiches for delivery to interstellar school children. Subject to the conditions listed in bylaws Chapter 37, Section 8A, verse 901, line lxiv.

When's lunch...

I think the good ambassador should be made aware that the legislation related to Spaceships, buttercup yellow - for the purposes of delivery of interstellar schoolchildren is subject to conditions in bylaws Chapter 37 B. Chapter 37 refers to interstellar refuse collection vehicles.

[GraVandius]

Has any one else noticed a trend here. I post crapy idea then someone else tries to do the same thing less crappy. Am i the only one seeing this?

[Separatist Peoples]

Has any one else noticed a trend here. I post crapy idea then someone else tries to do the same thing less crappy. Am i the only one seeing this?

OOC: thats just in your head. Your attempt was weeks ago and this is nothing like it at all. Even if it was happening, its not against the rules to have a better idea.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

The proposal was resubmitted, I have updated the OP with the new text, leaving the old text in a spoiler.

The new version does seem to avoid committee-only status by "DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory." (sic).

I would have advised the author to post their revised draft here for comments first, however.

[GraVandius]

Has any one else noticed a trend here. I post crapy idea then someone else tries to do the same thing less crappy. Am i the only one seeing this?

OOC: thats just in your head. Your attempt was weeks ago and this is nothing like it at all. Even if it was happening, its not against the rules to have a better idea.

I know but look at this thing it has incredibly broad clauses that give as much if not more than mine did.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: thats just in your head. Your attempt was weeks ago and this is nothing like it at all. Even if it was happening, its not against the rules to have a better idea.

I know but look at this thing it has incredibly broad clauses that give as much if not more than mine did.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.

OOC: Still better than banning domestic space programs by far.

[GraVandius]

OOC: Still better than banning domestic space programs by far.

ya i know. it was a bad idea. i tired to fix it but aparently it's illegal to make things optional so that didnt work either.

[Kaboomlandia]

Ugh. This actually made quorum. I'll go start getting people to stack against.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

Ugh. This actually made quorum. I'll go start getting people to stack against.

This topic may be relevant to your interests.

[Wrapper]

Ah, a space exploration proposal! Nothing like a little forward-thinking once in a while! Speaking as a race with some experience in this field, perhaps we can help you get this idea off the ground. Ha ha?

(Wad Ahume rolls his eyes at the ambassador's pun, then whispers in his ear.)

What... "Submitted"? No no, there are far too many issues with this draft as written. To wit:

RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore the universe.

That right there is debatable. There are member states represented here that we would absolutely refuse to help explore the universe. Could you imagine us bringing some of these warmongering nations into untouched paradises, like The Nox homeworld? Or the Land of Light? Or P7J-989, or PXY-887? No, there is no "need for cooperation" between us and a great many WA nations.

DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory.

FURTHER demanding no member state shall knowingly allow a spacecraft to operate if it has fallen into disrepair.

Safety regulations are one thing, but with the prevalence of privately-run space travel, it's impossible for us to monitor each and every spacecraft at each and every Wrapperian outpost and colony. You may point to the word "knowingly" there and say, well, if that's the case then you aren't knowingly allowing operation, and while that's true, it does invite nations to turn a blind eye to unsafe operation, which defeats the purpose of this proposal.

COMMISSIONING the W.S.A. to:

i. preform cosmos research and development.

ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).

Why the hell should the WA build spacecraft? And if it does, we aren't flying in them. We have the experience in this field, we're not going to take two steps backwards in this manner, we're going to trust our own engineers -- with technology that, frankly, we're not going to share with WA nations who are not ready for it. And what's a "cosmic spacecraft" anyway? How does that differ from a non-cosmic spacecraft?

iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote WA ideals through the cosmos.

Promote... WA ideals? Which are what, precisely? Nukes for everyone? No, this is a massive overreach. (OOC: Hmmm, one might even argue that this technically violates the rule that resolutions can only affect WA nations and not the rest of the world, because if such territories were already a part of a WA nation then they are already influenced by "WA ideals". Anyone want to run with that argument, feel free.)

v. Create cosmos travel bylaws and policies.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.

Not only is this overbroad but it makes no sense. We're not going to allow a committee to make decisions on how we travel. You want to make bylaws and policies to regulate our space travel, write them into a resolution, and we'll debate their merits.

[Wallenburg]

I still can't get over the fact that you want the WA to enforce spacefaring laws even though you won't give it a way of enforcing them.

[Sobaira]

I still can't get over the fact that you want the WA to enforce spacefaring laws even though you won't give it a way of enforcing them.

The ambassador from Sobaira spoke up, "Honourable ambassador, presumably they would be enforced the same way the other laws are being so, which is..." she looked blank, not quite sure what that manner was. She turned to one of her aides and they looked away awkwardly. A quiet unspoken exchange took place between them before one of the aides leaned in and whispered something to the ambassador as her face twisted in confusion. She shook her head before turning her attention to the ambassador from Wallenburg, "Apparently it is of being gnomes. World Assembly gnomes will be of enforcement."

[Sierra Lyricalia]

How do I oppose thee? Let me count the ways...

Its enactment of a so-called mandate upon nations in a preambulatory clause; its instruction to the committee to "preform" both R&D and missions of exploration, under the ridiculous assumption that these things are plannable a priori and on a specific schedule that can be predicted - like, here, we'll spend five years developing a way to make cheap antimatter by the tonne, then use that to power the new class of spaceships we're building, and then once the interstellar robot probe finds the alien race on Tau Ceti IV we can convince them to join us, and then in Phase III we'll do X, Y, Z, and Q, and finally Step 10: profit! Holy hell, what a heaping hogshead of hogwash.

It charges its committee with making up laws and regulations for safe space travel, but neither requires (only "demands") nations to enforce them nor gives it the ability to enforce them itself; it overlaps GAR #2 in forbidding its committee to develop a WA military or police force; it overlaps or contradicts GAR #17, which handles the funding for all WA committees and actions.

Legality challenge filed.

[Ainocra]

The Star Empire of Ainocra is more than capable of regulating it's own space lanes and will brook no interference from this august body on such matters.

We are therefore opposed to this measure.