NationStates

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:49 am**

IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR AGAIN!

Argument: The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING the contribution of Tiago Silva to the world by universally improving the quality of national flags in 2011,

NOTING that this contribution is the only undertaking celebrated by the commendation in question, which is composed of only three short statements,

REALIZING that although the efforts of Tiago Silva are appreciated, under no circumstances can they be considered "brave" as described by SC#43,

UNDERWHELMED by the overall lack of additional substance beyond the flag improvement presented in the resolution,

OBSERVING that the same type of work done by Tiago Silva has been popular amongst the artists of the world for many years, and flags of similar quality to those produced by the commended nation are routinely produced by others without the same recognition by the Security Council,

BELIEVING that the standards of the World Assembly are much higher than the quality of SC#43 and that a nation should have a history of honorable contributions to the world to be included in a commendation by this body,

HEREBY REPEALS SC#43, "Commend Tiago Silva".

This is only second time I've tried my hand at this, but the resolution in question is a time-tested classic piece of "legislation" that has needed to go for a long time. Any suggestions for improvement are very much appreciated!

Link to Max Barry's news post regarding Tiago Silva's work
Link to the commendation

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:21 am**

The original resolution is really badly written. Improving flags is not the only grounds for a commendation.
For.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:18 am**

What exactly did Tiago Silva do? The resolution is not at all clear about it. Did he design new flags?

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:21 am**

He converted the default flags on the site from ass tier JPEGs to better quality PNGs.

Apparently people think this act alone is commend worthy.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:25 am**

Ambroscus Koth wrote:He converted the default flags on the site from ass tier JPEGs to better quality PNGs.

Apparently people think this act alone is commend worthy.

Did TS actually do anything other than convert flags that makes him worthy of commendation?

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:30 am**

I'd actually appreciate input from people who know Tiago Silva better than myself on that question. If he truly has done more than the commendation outlines, we might actually be able to give him a proper commendation that isn't absolute trash.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:32 am**

Ambroscus Koth wrote:I'd actually appreciate input from people who know Tiago Silva better than myself on that question. If he truly has done more than the commendation outlines, we might actually be able to give him a proper commendation that isn't absolute trash.

In that case, you still have to get rid of this one, don't you?
Reminds me of when the (first) commendation of 10000 Islands was repealed. The first commendation was horribly written.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:49 am**

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Ambroscus Koth wrote:I'd actually appreciate input from people who know Tiago Silva better than myself on that question. If he truly has done more than the commendation outlines, we might actually be able to give him a proper commendation that isn't absolute trash.

In that case, you still have to get rid of this one, don't you?
Reminds me of when the (first) commendation of 10000 Islands was repealed. The first commendation was horribly written.

Not necessarily. The Black Riders had two condemnations for a time before their terrible old one was repealed, if I recall correctly.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:17 am**

Ambroscus Koth wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:In that case, you still have to get rid of this one, don't you?
Reminds me of when the (first) commendation of 10000 Islands was repealed. The first commendation was horribly written.

Not necessarily. The Black Riders had two condemnations for a time before their terrible old one was repealed, if I recall correctly.

You do. It's perfectly legal to commend or condemn a target twice, as long as the two proposals/resolutions are based on different arguments.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:40 am**

Bears Armed wrote:
Ambroscus Koth wrote:
Not necessarily. The Black Riders had two condemnations for a time before their terrible old one was repealed, if I recall correctly.

You do. It's perfectly legal to commend or condemn a target twice, as long as the two proposals/resolutions are based on different arguments.

So, as long as you avoid the flag argument, it's totally legal to commend them again for something else.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:14 pm**

Good, this one has been bugging me for awhile. I remember viewing someone else's draft for this awhile ago (might have been Douria's). Good luck and you have my support.

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:58 pm**

He was a well known flagmaker for years. AGAINST.

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:07 pm**

Unibot III wrote:He was a well known flagmaker for years. AGAINST.

Well known flagmaker, with a crappy resolution with little details. Objectively, I see no wrong with Tiago having a commendation, but this one is bad.

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:33 pm**

Unibot III wrote:He was a well known flagmaker for years. AGAINST.

So were many others, and they aren't commended by this body. As it's been said many times, this commendation is horribly written and it would never pass in today's SC. Write a commendation for him that isn't trash and hey, I might even vote for it.

In case anyone is wondering what Tiago Silva thinks about his commendation:

Tiago Silva wrote:I voted against it, because now I have an extra image to load in my nation's page.

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:02 pm**

Kaboomlandia wrote:The original resolution is really badly written. Improving flags is not the only grounds for a commendation.
For.

And if we repeal it , it would be damn near impossible to replace it without metagaming.

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:42 pm**

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:The original resolution is really badly written. Improving flags is not the only grounds for a commendation.
For.

And if we repeal it , it would be damn near impossible to replace it without metagaming.

The original resolution tried valiantly to avoid metagaming, but the issue to me is that if you seriously can't manage to commend someone without resorting to that sort of writing, the dude probably hasn't done that much to deserve it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:12 am**

Ambroscus Koth wrote:
Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
And if we repeal it , it would be damn near impossible to replace it without metagaming.

The original resolution tried valiantly to avoid metagaming, but the issue to me is that if you seriously can't manage to commend someone without resorting to that sort of writing, the dude probably hasn't done that much to deserve it.

It was a fairly large contribution to the game.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:16 am**

Well I'm not gonna dispute that, but I'm also not pulling this proposal. If nobody actually wants to contribute to the draft, I plan on submitting soon.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:26 pm**

Looks good. It's a four clause Commendation, so there isn't much material to work with. If you think this draft needs some more weight, feel free to use some clauses from my repeals.

I'm FOR this repeal.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:11 pm**

Ambroscus Koth wrote:
Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
And if we repeal it , it would be damn near impossible to replace it without metagaming.

The original resolution tried valiantly to avoid metagaming, but the issue to me is that if you seriously can't manage to commend someone without resorting to that sort of writing, the dude probably hasn't done that much to deserve it.

Frankly, that's a terrible argument. You're essentially saying that certain types of of invaluable contributions that are intrinsically tied to the mechanical aspect of the game cannot be rewarded by a commendation because of the difficulty involved in writing one. That line of reasoning is lazy and reveals less about whether Tiago Silva is worthy of his recognition and more about what you, and many others, find to be the sole domain of the SC - that is, gameplay. Fiercely against.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:36 pm**

Sciongrad wrote:
Ambroscus Koth wrote:
The original resolution tried valiantly to avoid metagaming, but the issue to me is that if you seriously can't manage to commend someone without resorting to that sort of writing, the dude probably hasn't done that much to deserve it.

Frankly, that's a terrible argument. You're essentially saying that certain types of of invaluable contributions that are intrinsically tied to the mechanical aspect of the game cannot be rewarded by a commendation because of the difficulty involved in writing one. That line of reasoning is lazy and reveals less about whether Tiago Silva is worthy of his recognition and more about what you, and many others, find to be the sole domain of the SC - that is, gameplay. Fiercely against.

Eh? What implied that I believe that only gameplay actions are commendable? I don't mind RP commends/condemns, or even those made for contributions to the site. But ONE contribution isn't worth commending, especially as badly written as it was. The resolution is garbage and out of place amongst the rest of the standing resolutions.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:04 pm**

Ambroscus Koth wrote:The resolution is garbage and out of place amongst the rest of the standing resolutions.

Uh huh... Because #4, and #11 are pristine examples of how to write a resolution /sarcasm, yet people seem dead set on refusing to repeal those ones.

Unless you get a quick stack on this one, it will fail. Good luck.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:01 pm**

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Ambroscus Koth wrote:The resolution is garbage and out of place amongst the rest of the standing resolutions.

Uh huh... Because #4, and #11 are pristine examples of how to write a resolution /sarcasm, yet people seem dead set on refusing to repeal those ones.

Unless you get a quick stack on this one, it will fail. Good luck.

I plan on stacking, so...

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:42 pm**

Ramaeus wrote:
Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Uh huh... Because #4, and #11 are pristine examples of how to write a resolution /sarcasm, yet people seem dead set on refusing to repeal those ones.

Unless you get a quick stack on this one, it will fail. Good luck.

I plan on stacking, so...

And Mouse can nullify your entire vote stack.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:47 pm**

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Ramaeus wrote:I plan on stacking, so...

And Mouse can nullify your entire vote stack.

But Mousey loves repeals!

Jokes aside, I'm submitting this soon. Then we can walk the walk AND talk the talk!

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[PASSED] Repeal "Commend Tiago Silva"

[PASSED] Repeal "Commend Tiago Silva"