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Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:51 am**

Grays Harbor wrote:At the risk of ruining my reputation as a grumpy curmudgeon...

We believe this may be ready and are willing to support it.

I need a drink.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:47 am**

We're both going to be busy over the next couple of weeks, so don't expect any submission soon.

Posted: **Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:13 pm**

Thank you very much, my Grays Harborian friend and Mr. Pearson. I've got a few beers in my briefcase, if you'd like. Speaking of which, did you know that our beer is at risk from invasive species? It's true; there are several evil creatures that damage wheat crop yields -- if we let them get out of hand and destroy all the wheat, we won't have beer anymore.

Just a little extra incentive to support the proposal...

Posted: **Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:07 am**

Well, now's a good time to get in any final suggestions.

Posted: **Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:52 pm**

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

There are currently submitted two proposals addressing the same issue:

"Invasive Species Response Act", proposed by Icamera and co-authored by Ceni.
"Against Invasive Species", proposed by Ceni and co-authored by Icamera.

Would it be too much for the two delegations to kindly get their act together and submit a single proposal that they can both agree upon?

Posted: **Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:15 pm**

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

There are currently submitted two proposals addressing the same issue:
"Invasive Species Response Act", proposed by Icamera and co-authored by Ceni.
"Against Invasive Species", proposed by Ceni and co-authored by Icamera.

Would it be too much for the two delegations to kindly get their act together and submit a single proposal that they can both agree upon?

They did try, ambassador, however, in the final stages there were some disagreements, and they decided to post their proposals separately.

Posted: **Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:18 pm**

The Akashic Records wrote:
The Eternal Kawaii wrote:In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

There are currently submitted two proposals addressing the same issue:
"Invasive Species Response Act", proposed by Icamera and co-authored by Ceni.
"Against Invasive Species", proposed by Ceni and co-authored by Icamera.

Would it be too much for the two delegations to kindly get their act together and submit a single proposal that they can both agree upon?

They did try, ambassador, however, in the final stages there were some disagreements, and they decided to post their proposals separately.

They could have tried harder. I remember when I crossed the aisle back in the day to work on such a
hot button issue--biological weapon usage. Invasive species seems so trivial... I'm sure am agreement could be reached.

Posted: **Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:33 pm**

I just asked the mods to remove my proposal; I'm TGing Icamera to ask him to do the same. I'd like to see what Icamera's dreamed up for a compromise.

Posted: **Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:44 pm**

I do not believe that management of "invasive species" is an international issue. Individual member states are perfectly capable of enacting and enforcing environmental regulations of their own that meet the particular needs of their populations and ecosystems. Furthermore, I believe the definition of "invasive species" is flawed. It covers plants and animals but excludes fungi. For these reasons, I plan to vote against this proposal.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:04 am**

Christian Democrats wrote:I do not believe that management of "invasive species" is an international issue. Individual member states are perfectly capable of enacting and enforcing environmental regulations of their own that meet the particular needs of their populations and ecosystems. Furthermore, I believe the definition of "invasive species" is flawed. It covers plants and animals but excludes fungi. For these reasons, I plan to vote against this proposal.

Similar to how nations should have been capable of dealing with their own Marital Rape justice laws?

Hypocritical much?

Regards,

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:33 am**

Christian Democrats wrote:I do not believe that management of "invasive species" is an international issue. Individual member states are perfectly capable of enacting and enforcing environmental regulations of their own that meet the particular needs of their populations and ecosystems. Furthermore, I believe the definition of "invasive species" is flawed. It covers plants and animals but excludes fungi. For these reasons, I plan to vote against this proposal.

Contrary to your belief, ambassador, when something crosses the borders of one nation and is capable of causing harmful effects in another, such as what these invasive species does, it very much becomes an international issue. They are not only capable of destroying agriculture, but at times it might even endanger the citizens should they carry germs or any such things that might not be a problem in one nation, but is in another.

In the interest of economic and citizen benefits, as well as the betterment of international relation from cooperation in avoiding preventable losses, both economic and environmental, we look forward to the compromise between the delegates from Ceni and Icamera.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:45 am**

The Akashic Records wrote:
In the interest of economic and citizen benefits, as well as the betterment of international relation from cooperation in avoiding preventable losses, both economic and environmental, we look forward to the compromise between the delegates from Ceni and Icamera.

Unfortunately, the proposal is in queue and now will be up to the whole WA to decide of they like the proposal, or if its time to go back to the drawing board.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:29 am**

Ceni wrote:Unfortunately, the proposal is in queue and now will be up to the whole WA to decide of they like the proposal, or if its time to go back to the drawing board.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see then. Until it goes back to the drawing board, we will support whichever one comes to vote.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:12 am**

I feel there is likeness to in the real world like Australia's approach to protecting its country from invasive speaces by its strict border controls. to see what I meen just watch a program called Border Security: Australia's front line.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:28 am**

Christian Democrats wrote:Furthermore, I believe the definition of "invasive species" is flawed. It covers plants and animals but excludes fungi.

This argument has convinced my government to vote against this draft of the "Invasive Species Response Act". Exclusion of fungi from the definition of “invasive species” is a grave flaw. We believe that this resolution should be voted down in its present form. Then the authors would have the chance to improve and resubmit it.

Iljas Saparitti, Ambassador.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:50 am**

Riasy wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Furthermore, I believe the definition of "invasive species" is flawed. It covers plants and animals but excludes fungi.

This argument has convinced my government to vote against this draft of the "Invasive Species Response Act". Exclusion of fungi from the definition of “invasive species” is a grave flaw. We believe that this resolution should be voted down in its present form. Then the authors would have the chance to improve and resubmit it.

Iljas Saparitti, Ambassador.

Dictionary. com says : any member of the kingdom Plantae, comprising multicellular organisms that typically produce their own food from inorganic matter by the process of photosynthesis and that have more or less rigid cell walls containing cellulose, including vascular plants, mosses, liverworts, and hornworts: some classification schemes may include fungi, algae, bacteria, blue-green algae, and certain single-celled eukaryotes that have plantlike qualities, as rigid cell walls or photosynthesis.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:07 pm**

False. Fungi is its own Kingdom, hence it cannot be in Kingdom plantae... unless we are changing elementary science.

Additionally, fungi do not contain chloroplasts, so photosynthesis is impossible--another characteristic of plants. Whatever definition you got from dictionary.com is a load of bologna.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:17 pm**

Ceni wrote:Dictionary. com says : any member of the kingdom Plantae, comprising multicellular organisms that typically produce their own food from inorganic matter by the process of photosynthesis and that have more or less rigid cell walls containing cellulose, including vascular plants, mosses, liverworts, and hornworts: some classification schemes may include fungi, algae, bacteria, blue-green algae, and certain single-celled eukaryotes that have plantlike qualities, as rigid cell walls or photosynthesis.

The words “some classification schemes may include” imply that usually fungi are not included into definition. That means that member nations will be able to interpret the definition in arbitrary fashion. This will make this Act much less effective than it should be.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:23 pm**

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"As other ambassadors have already pointed out, restricting this act to only include plants and animals - fungi, bacteria and archaea, and some could indeed argue any single-celled organism, do not fit the definition of either animal or plant - means making it highly ineffective. If it should pass, we will actively encourage a repeal, to help bring a better version of the proposal to the table. As it is, we will have to vote against it. Excluding the fungi is the worst blunder in our opinion."

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:41 pm**

The truth about invasive species is not just that they don't belong there, but that they typically simply have no stable ecosystem because of it. They are imply unhealthy populations. The regulation needs to account for introduction of other species. In Florida, we have a lionfish problem. Why? This is because lionfish are Pacific Ocean natives. They probably ended up here in the ballast tanks of some ocean-liner or something. The predators and competitors of lionfish don't exist in the warmer Gulf and Atlantic waters, so there is nothing to balance out the ecosystem. The correction to this problem is into introduce competitive species and predators to regulate them. That is the only part I would change about this bill. The regulation needs to be research-based.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:08 pm**

Mayhap the ambassador would actually the current proposal at vote?

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:15 pm**

that is very true bro but the only problem is that the competitive species may in turn be unhealthier

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:15 pm**

This OP needs alot of work to inform readers of what's going on.
At this point it seems like you got pissed off about Invasis species with no reason yet you mention a bill near the end of the OP.
Mind giving a bit more info so I can mayhaps join a discussion?

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:24 pm**

You had my support all the way up till the final clause. We are voting against.

Posted: **Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:55 pm**

Ceni wrote:
The Akashic Records wrote:
In the interest of economic and citizen benefits, as well as the betterment of international relation from cooperation in avoiding preventable losses, both economic and environmental, we look forward to the compromise between the delegates from Ceni and Icamera.

Unfortunately, the proposal is in queue and now will be up to the whole WA to decide of they like the proposal, or if its time to go back to the drawing board.

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

It is our recommendation, then, that this proposal be voted down, so that the delegations from Icamera and Ceni can have the time to work on a version that is genuinely coauthored rather than having Ceni's name on a resolution they disagree with. An important topic such as this should not be rushed.

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