NationStates

Feux wrote:

Since you say that this system is supported by loyal and devoted denizens, what you are essentially saying is "this system is supported by Krulltopia's supporters." Not exactly compelling.

I think all governments consist of supporters of that government.

I was referring to the citizenry of the Pacific.

Ah well, I think I'll just abstain on this one.

Ponderosa wrote:

Feux wrote:


I think all governments consist of supporters of that government.

I was referring to the citizenry of the Pacific.

Ah well, I think I'll just abstain on this one.

I know you were referring to the citizens of the Pacific. It still applies from my understanding of it.

to play devil's advocate, its not as people who oppose Krull actually get to stay in TP for all that long...

Although we are a young nation, as a resident of the Pacific (citizenship pending) we are already benefiting from the greatness of the NPO and the Delegateship of the Supreme Bunnyness. Awaiki has proudly voted in favor of this resolution.

Cerian Quilor wrote:to play devil's advocate, its not as people who oppose Krull actually get to stay in TP for all that long...

Therefore not loyal and devoted citizens.

EDIT: Changed simile used.

the nation of elvaeia regnum, votes against this.

As is clearly mentioned in the resolution of commendation itself, the nation has helped FEW ALLIES and has maintained order in the PACIFIC region. it does not clearly say HOW. Utter control and totalitarian regime, is how it looks like.

- His Grand Brilliancy The Lord Ceranus Anarchaeus

Feux wrote:

Cerian Quilor wrote:to play devil's advocate, its not as people who oppose Krull actually get to stay in TP for all that long...

Therefore not loyal and devoted citizens.

EDIT: Changed simile used.

Loyalty is inspired, not enforced.

(still playing Devils advocate. I really couldn't care less either way about this . I just like debates/arguements)

Yet it is obviously inspired in those who choose to remain in TP and in its government, as those who are not loyal are ousted or leave on their own accord.

But its not a major accomplishment to be supported by a completely loyal and devoted populace if the undevoted and disloyal are completely expelled.

Cerian Quilor wrote:But its not a major accomplishment to be supported by a completely loyal and devoted populace if the undevoted and disloyal are completely expelled.

This is why I thought that it was a bad argument.

The Red Legion opposes pats on the back and asks fellow delegates to vote against the resolution.

Ponderosa wrote:

Cerian Quilor wrote:But its not a major accomplishment to be supported by a completely loyal and devoted populace if the undevoted and disloyal are completely expelled.

This is why I thought that it was a bad argument.

You have taken it out of context to start with. It was used to back the large whole of the clause.

I find myself in two minds regarding this; Krull's contributions to NS have indeed been weighty, but self commendations are still beyond the pale, even NPO ones.

Belschaft wrote:I find myself in two minds regarding this; Krull's contributions to NS have indeed been weighty, but self commendations are still beyond the pale, even NPO ones.

* Puts on Lazarene hat. Is that better Bel? Haha.

But really, we believe Krull deserves the commenedation. Our NPO tomfoolery should really be taken to the side on this occasion, as the drafting of this proposal was not an undertaking of the NPO but of two individuals wishing to commended another for their devotion to their community and the collective of NS.

The delegates from Nexum admonish this hideous motion! After having our memories wiped, we examined the data that led up to this event and the destruction of the United Nations. All who have voted in favor of this resolution should abstain or vote against! Clearly this warlord has ruled long enough! It is bad enough we must congratulate him. We still don't know if the weird activity of the Pacific regions are responsible for our auto-bots mind-warping us into amnesia.

Ponderosa wrote:

Cerian Quilor wrote:But its not a major accomplishment to be supported by a completely loyal and devoted populace if the undevoted and disloyal are completely expelled.

This is why I thought that it was a bad argument.

Please don't use my devils advocacy to justify your opposition.

My point here is Krull has done nothing that directly impacted Nationstates as a whole. Aside from starting the trend of banning recruitment spam from the RMBs, Krull has done nothing that affects other regions, especially anything worth commending. Apparently The Pacific thinks he's a great guy. Fine, have TP make an internal commendation with it's own shiny badge and give it to him on his anniversary, but it is a waste of WA's time to consider this resolution.

Likako wrote:My point here is Krull has done nothing that directly impacted Nationstates as a whole. Aside from starting the trend of banning recruitment spam from the RMBs, Krull has done nothing that affects other regions, especially anything worth commending. Apparently The Pacific thinks he's a great guy. Fine, have TP make an internal commendation with it's own shiny badge and give it to him on his anniversary, but it is a waste of WA's time to consider this resolution.

67% of what the SC deals with is a waste of time. And that's being generous.

Cerian Quilor wrote:

Ponderosa wrote:
This is why I thought that it was a bad argument.

Please don't use my devils advocacy to justify your opposition.

I'm not entirely opposed. However, a benevolent dictator is still a dictator.

Besides, if you're going to make opposing arguments, some of the opposition is going to agree with you. Sorry.

"Commend Krulltopia was passed 9,833 votes to 2,640."

Well, that's the end of that. Landslide victory. Congrats to Krull and Feux.

I like how the World Assembly sends telegrams telling me to comply with a Commendation.

Ponderosa wrote:I like how the World Assembly sends telegrams telling me to comply with a Commendation.

Do we all have to pool our money and get them a cake or something?

Technopolis wrote:

Ponderosa wrote:I like how the World Assembly sends telegrams telling me to comply with a Commendation.

Do we all have to pool our money and get them a cake or something?

Mine magically disappeared after I read it.

Corf Corfington

Belschaft wrote:I find myself in two minds regarding this; Krull's contributions to NS have indeed been weighty, but self commendations are still beyond the pale, even NPO ones.

Krulltopia was actually notably hesitant about accepting a commendation nomination.

In any event, kudos on your commendation, my old friend.