[DEFEATED] Nuclear Proliferation Accords

[Araraukar]

Very few people are supporting your ideas of "disarming" nations of certain weapons.

OOC: And strangely enough most of these "disarming" things have been passed in real life. That gives some hope they might pass a GA vote some day.

The vast majority of your ideas have failed.

The idea doesn't fail just because the proposal doesn't become a resolution. Only that particular attempt fails.

please note that the WA is a democratic organization and trying to pass the same piece of legislation over and over again is really starting to get annoying

At least he's trying to pass a proposal instead of an "On Abortion" or NAPA repeal.

EDIT: lol at 75+% of the votes being no

And (at the moment of writing this) 25.5% of the votes say "yes". That isn't an insignificant percentage.

[Imperializt Russia]

Maybe not, but it's an incredible minority.

[Araraukar]

because of his tidal theories, which was wrong because tidal forces come from the moon, not the sun.

*cough* They come from both, actually. *cough*

Wikipedia wrote:
Tides are the rise and fall of sea levels caused by the combined effects of the gravitational forces exerted by the Moon and the Sun and the rotation of the Earth.

Maybe not, but it's an incredible minority.

How is 1 out of 4 an "incredible minority"?

[Imperializt Russia]

A minority is "any subgroup that does not form a numerical majority".
A numerical majority is "more than half (50%) of some group".

The no votes stand at ~74.5%, with a majority of 49%

Ergo, 1 in 4 is "an incredible minority".

The US government requires 66% votes for to pass legislation for a reason.

[Retired WerePenguins]

Ladies and gentlemen. I just have received information of an alarming nature. My penguins are in the process of compiling the charges against United Federation of Canada and when completed we will present them to the Security Council for a proper condemnation. In addition legal papers have been filed with the secretariat. Personally, I feel the nation should be thrown out of the World Assembly due to the nature of these charges.

[United Federation of Canada]

Ladies and gentlemen. I just have received information of an alarming nature. My penguins are in the process of compiling the charges against United Federation of Canada and when completed we will present them to the Security Council for a proper condemnation. In addition legal papers have been filed with the secretariat. Personally, I feel the nation should be thrown out of the World Assembly due to the nature of these charges.

A badge? Just for little old me? Well what can I say?

And to think, Skydip will get another feather when he repeals it.

LOL!

[The Akashic Records]

Ladies and gentlemen. I just have received information of an alarming nature. My penguins are in the process of compiling the charges against United Federation of Canada and when completed we will present them to the Security Council for a proper condemnation. In addition legal papers have been filed with the secretariat. Personally, I feel the nation should be thrown out of the World Assembly due to the nature of these charges.

I'm afraid that members who trawl the Security Council would disagree with your reasoning for the condemnation. As Chester Pearson pointed out, SkyDip would shoot you down before you could even submit such an unsubstantial condemnation attempt.

As for the proposal at vote itself, I have not seen a single argument made that wasn't based on fear politics. We are more than aware of conflicts happening because of misunderstandings, and that these shiny explosive weapons are waived around just to show whose [arse]nal is larger, supposedly leading to "peace" talks. If anything, the peace achieved by means of fear politics will only hide the tension, not resolve them.

If everyone wants to play with nuclear weapons so much, then we are more than willing to draft an over-proliferation accords, mandating that every single member have them, or should members be unable to procure them, they are to be forcefully given these weapons by those who have a surplus, or should they not have the technology, they are to be assisted by member nations in developing and controlling them.

Still, in my attempt to believe that sapience will prevail over basic instincts, I will try to believe that peace achieved by fear could open the path to actual understanding and peace. As a side note, a conflict of ideas should be resolved with ideas and a war of words, not nations.

[United Federation of Canada]

Ladies and gentlemen. I just have received information of an alarming nature. My penguins are in the process of compiling the charges against United Federation of Canada and when completed we will present them to the Security Council for a proper condemnation. In addition legal papers have been filed with the secretariat. Personally, I feel the nation should be thrown out of the World Assembly due to the nature of these charges.

I'm afraid that members who trawl the Security Council would disagree with your reasoning for the condemnation. As Chester Pearson pointed out, SkyDip would shoot you down before you could even submit such an unsubstantial condemnation attempt.

As for the proposal at vote itself, I have not seen a single argument made that wasn't based on fear politics. We are more than aware of conflicts happening because of misunderstandings, and that these shiny explosive weapons are waived around just to show whose [arse]nal is larger, supposedly leading to "peace" talks. If anything, the peace achieved by means of fear politics will only hide the tension, not resolve them.

If everyone wants to play with nuclear weapons so much, then we are more than willing to draft an over-proliferation accords, mandating that every single member have them, or should members be unable to procure them, they are to be forcefully given these weapons by those who have a surplus, or should they not have the technology, they are to be assisted by member nations in developing and controlling them.

Still, in my attempt to believe that sapience will prevail over basic instincts, I will try to believe that peace achieved by fear could open the path to actual understanding and peace. As a side note, a conflict of ideas should be resolved with ideas and a war of words, not nations.

It all comes down to fear really.

Now it's about fear! Our fear of your missiles, your fear of our subs, fear of being weak, fear of making a mistake... the same fear of the other guy that had us build these goddamn bombs in the first place!

Jack Ryan " The Sum of All Fears"

Further quote for fun:

President Fowler: We gotta update these fire drills, Billy. I mean, if the shit ever hits the fan, I'm not going underground. This place is a goddamn tomb down there!
Bill Cabot: We've also gotta choose someone else to face off against besides the Russians all the time.
President Fowler: Really? Let's see. Who else has 27,000 nukes for us to worry about?
Bill Cabot: It's the guy with one I'm worried about.

The Sum of All Fears

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Ladies and gentlemen. I just have received information of an alarming nature. My penguins are in the process of compiling the charges against United Federation of Canada and when completed we will present them to the Security Council for a proper condemnation. In addition legal papers have been filed with the secretariat. Personally, I feel the nation should be thrown out of the World Assembly due to the nature of these charges.

The charges are indeed damning, and go far beyond a simple philosophical disagreement on how best to protect the world from the effects of nuclear proliferation, I'm afraid. It's the dishonesty of the resolution text itself, and of its reputed "author," that is at issue here.

[United Federation of Canada]

Ladies and gentlemen. I just have received information of an alarming nature. My penguins are in the process of compiling the charges against United Federation of Canada and when completed we will present them to the Security Council for a proper condemnation. In addition legal papers have been filed with the secretariat. Personally, I feel the nation should be thrown out of the World Assembly due to the nature of these charges.

The charges are indeed damning, and go far beyond a simple philosophical disagreement on how best to protect the world from the effects of nuclear proliferation, I'm afraid. It's the dishonesty of the resolution text itself, and of its reputed "author," that is at issue here.

More of a misunderstanding really. A misunderstanding I am attempting to diplomatically resolve at that. Werepenguins, by taking this action may have seriously undermined those negotiations, and this has a very good chance of blowing up into something far larger than it ever needed to be.

If this was in danger of passing, then this "may" have been a slight concern, but since it won't pass, was it really necessary?

[Imperializt Russia]

It all comes down to fear really.

Now it's about fear! Our fear of your missiles, your fear of our subs, fear of being weak, fear of making a mistake... the same fear of the other guy that had us build these goddamn bombs in the first place!

Jack Ryan " The Sum of All Fears"

Further quote for fun:

President Fowler: We gotta update these fire drills, Billy. I mean, if the shit ever hits the fan, I'm not going underground. This place is a goddamn tomb down there!
Bill Cabot: We've also gotta choose someone else to face off against besides the Russians all the time.
President Fowler: Really? Let's see. Who else has 27,000 nukes for us to worry about?
Bill Cabot: It's the guy with one I'm worried about.

The Sum of All Fears

I feel I should do well to remind you that The Sum Of All Fears was a work of fiction.

[The Akashic Records]

So, what relevance does that statement bring, if I may ask?Aren't examples from that game, Real Life^TM fictitious as well? Has literature not reflected things that we do not feel comfortable discussing? The fear is real, fiction or not, and that ability to be afraid and finding ways to survive are two of the most basic instincts that have allowed whatever living creatures to survive.

[Imperializt Russia]

So, what relevance does that statement bring, if I may ask?Aren't examples from that game, Real Life^TM fictitious as well? Has literature not reflected things that we do not feel comfortable discussing? The fear is real, fiction or not, and that ability to be afraid and finding ways to survive are two of the most basic instincts that have allowed whatever living creatures to survive.

Tom Clancy was a literature major.
Neither a scientist, politician nor relevant forces member.

[The Akashic Records]

We are aware of that, even if we never read his works. The point is, are people with "qualifications" the only ones who are allowed to speculate the intricacies of international relations with the information they have at hand? Is living in constant fear preferable to living while understanding fear? Fear politics undermine the actual problems, which may bottle up and explode, or reach actual understanding, but that rarely, if ever, happens.

[Imperializt Russia]

"Fear politics" is certainly what much of this resolution has been composed of, and what I read from your last post.

[The Akashic Records]

Fear politics exploits fear by twisting reason, and keeping people ignorant. I ask questions that people may think for themselves and reason a conclusion based on their understanding, which if they do not have, they will presumably seek it. I seek discourse, not distraction.

[Araraukar]

*snip*

The US government requires 66% votes for to pass legislation for a reason.

OOC: I think you just identified the reason why so many votes held in the USA cause confusion and require recounting votes.

IC: However you want to spin it mathematically, 1 in 4 is not insignificant number of nations that think this is a good idea.

[Hectane]

Does this GAR include extranational entities such as arms manufacturing corporations in the ban on transfer of nuclear weapons and technologies?

In addition, do the technologies banned from export include delivery systems?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

*snip*

The US government requires 66% votes for to pass legislation for a reason.

OOC: I think you just identified the reason why so many votes held in the USA cause confusion and require recounting votes.

IC: However you want to spin it mathematically, 1 in 4 is not insignificant number of nations that think this is a good idea.

OOC: It's a false stat anyway - the U.S. Senate requires 60 votes, not 66; the House requires a simple majority. What this has to do with elections I haven't the foggiest.

IC: And in the inverse, 3 in 4 is a not-insignificant number of nations who don't.

The Federal Republic stands in opposition to this measure. Though we were in favor of the UN version of this document, and this one bears a lot of similarity to it, we cannot in good conscience endorse proposal-stealing as a valid WA legislative tactic. Even if the author wasn't intentionally trying to steal; they were just clueless enough to assume that one author giving another permission to borrow constitutes blanket permission for anybody to steal from him.

[Frisbeeteria]

If this was in danger of passing, then this "may" have been a slight concern, but since it won't pass, was it really necessary?

Sounds reasonable. Let's enforce the rules only for successful rulebreakers.

[United Federation of Canada]

If this was in danger of passing, then this "may" have been a slight concern, but since it won't pass, was it really necessary?

Sounds reasonable. Let's enforce the rules only for successful rulebreakers.

So..... If their was such a gross injustice here, why has mod action not been taken. Oh thats right, Franxico has not brought it to anyones attention.

This is nothing more than scaremongering by Werepenguins, and it really is sickening. If Franxico had such an issue, he had "9" months to point out his objections, which he still has yet to do.

[Imperializt Russia]

Sounds reasonable. Let's enforce the rules only for successful rulebreakers.

So..... If their was such a gross injustice here, why has mod action not been taken. Oh thats right, Franxico has not brought it to anyones attention.

This is nothing more than scaremongering by Werepenguins, and it really is sickening. If Franxico had such an issue, he had "9" months to point out his objections, which he still has yet to do.

Well, actually, no.

No matter how baseless an allegation may be, it should still be investigated.
You saying it "doesn't matter" on the basis it won't pass is like saying it "wouldn't have mattered" that the Tylenol bottles had been tampered with in 1982, had no-one died from taking them.

[Lillitania]

Oh hum, I had written a repeal for this ridiculous act already. Oh well, I guess I got too ahead of myself.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that this has gotten such a negative response. The act itself literally stopped trade of weaponry and national intelligence. I'm glad the majority of the World Assembly sees how ridiculous this act was, one less act to ignore.

Jerry Greyer
General Assembly Office

[Abacathea]

Oh hum, I had written a repeal for this ridiculous act already. Oh well, I guess I got too ahead of myself.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that this has gotten such a negative response. The act itself literally stopped trade of weaponry and national intelligence. I'm glad the majority of the World Assembly sees how ridiculous this act was, one less act to ignore.

Jerry Greyer
General Assembly Office

Clearly you did when the stats showed this failing pretty much from the outset.

[Lillitania]

Clearly you did when the stats showed this failing pretty much from the outset.

I wrote the repeal as soon as it came to vote, literally within the first hour.