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Promotion of Bee-keeping [PASSED]

Postby Bears Armed Mission » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:50 am

Reasons why you should vote FOR this proposal

As noted in the proposal itself, bee-keeping is important not only for its [direct] commercial value but also because it increases the chance that there will be enough bees around to pollinate various useful species such as several types of fruit-tree.

It would be good for your economy.


Question: Is this really an 'international' issue'?
Answer: Its only binding clause concerns international trade, and international trade is by definition an international issue, so yes it is.

Question: Is this really an important enough topic to be worth WA legislation?
Answer: With the crop-pollination factor added to the more direct economic importance, I think so. After all, we've recently had three resolutions passed on the single subject of tissue & organ transplants, and I'd argue that this topic is potentially at least a third as important as that one overall (i.e. to the entire nations, rather than just to the people directly affected), so if we can have three resolutions for that then why not one for this?
And it's not as though this proposal was somehow interrupting a sequence of more important submissions, after all...

Question: Isn't this an attempt at 'micro-management?
Answer: No. The first of the two 'operative' clauses only "urges" the actions listed, which means that although we think they'd be a good idea you wouldn't actually have to do them, and because of that fact I'd argue that that clause doesn't count as 'managament' of any kind. Admittedly the second operative clause is binding, but that can be boiled down to "(A) If it's legal to own the stuff in your nation then it has to be legal to import & export it too, subject to a few common-sense limitations [i](and to any restrictions that you also place on domestcially-produced equivalents); and (B) you can't tax imports of these goods at higher rates than you do domestically produced ones (except to balance any subsidies placed on them in their countries of origin')[/i]: That doesn't look like "micro-management" to me, anyhows...




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Ursiosina RedRose, who is the Commercial Attaché for Bears Armed's mission here, enters the chamber and adds a new document to those that are being circulated _

box]Promotion of Bee-Keeping

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild


Description:
The World Assembly,

Understanding that Bees not only play a major role in pollinating many species of plants, including quite a few species that are useful to people, but can also produce both honey and beeswax in quantities that makes their harvesting by people worthwhile,

Recognising that keeping one or more hives can therefore provide people with a useful supplement to their diets and incomes,

Saddened that some nations might, for one reason or another, play unnecessary restrictions on bee-keeping,

Urges strongly that all WA member nations _
1. Legalise bee-keeping, without setting unreasonable limits on whereabouts keepers may allow their bees to roam;
2. Legalise both domestic and international trade in hives or swarms of bees, honey, beeswax, bee-hives, and other relevant goods;
3. Refrain from imposing unreasonably strict or petty regulations upon bee-keeping and the associated activities, and from taxing these matters at rates that would render them not worthwhile for the bee-keepers;
4. Recognise the legal right of people from adjoining nations to reclaim swarms of bees that those people owned within those other nations under those other nations' own laws but that have strayed or even been lured across the international border;
5. Ensure that training in bee-keeping and in the processing of the bees’ products is available easily enough within their jurisdictions to meet the needs of any of their people who are interested in this possibility;

Specifies that all WA member nations are required _
1. To allow the importation and exportation of any bees, bee-keeping equipment and/or products of bee-keeping of types whose possession would be legal within their borders, without unreasonably strict or petty regulation, subject to any restrictions that they apply to international trade in general in time of war or other national emergency, except that specific batches of bees or related goods may be excluded from this if they genuinely pose higher than normal health risks to people, to bees, or to other species;
2. To limit any place customs duties, tariffs, or other taxation, that they place on the international trade in bees, bee-keeping equipment, and/or the products of bee-keeping, to levels that do not exceed taxation on the internal trade in such goods within their borders, except that if any imported goods received government subsidies within their country of origin at higher rates than equivalent goods are subsidised within the receiving nation then additional tariffs may be imposed to balance that difference.


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Promotion of Bee-Keeping

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild


Description:
The World Assembly,

Happily aware that Bees not only play a major role in pollinating many species of plants, including quite a few species that are useful to people, but can also produce both honey and beeswax in quantities that makes their harvesting by people worthwhile,

Open to the fact that keeping one or more hives can therefore provide people with a useful supplement to their diets and incomes, as well as assisting the pollination of some local crops,

Not at all happy that some nations might, for one reason or another, play unnecessary restrictions on bee-keeping;

Enthusiastically urges all WA member nations to _
1. Legalise bee-keeping, without setting unreasonable limits on whereabouts keepers may allow their bees to roam;
2. Legalise both domestic and international trade in hives or swarms of bees, honey, beeswax, bee-hives, and other relevant goods;
3. Refrain from imposing unreasonably strict or petty regulations upon bee-keeping and the associated activities, and from taxing these matters at rates that would render them not worthwhile for the bee-keepers;
4. Recognise the legal right of people from adjoining nations to reclaim swarms of bees that those people owned within those other nations under those other nations' own laws but that have strayed or even been lured across the international border;
5. Ensure that training in bee-keeping and in the processing of the bees’ products is available easily enough within their jurisdictions to meet the needs of any of their people who are interested in this possibility;
6. Discourage the reckless use of general-purpose insecticides, because those could harm bees (and other useful insects) as well as the 'pest' species that people actually want to get rid of;

Yearning to ease international trade in these goods, enacts that (subject to any restrictions imposed by earlier GA resolutions that are still in force) all WA member nations are required _
1. To allow the importation and exportation of any bees, bee-keeping equipment and/or products of bee-keeping of types whose possession would be legal within their borders, without unreasonably strict or petty regulation, subject to any restrictions that they apply to international trade in general in time of war or other national emergency, except as is genuinely necessary to prevent the spread of disease;
2. To limit any place customs duties, tariffs, or other taxation, that they place on the international trade in bees, bee-keeping equipment, and/or the products of bee-keeping, to levels that do not exceed taxation on the internal trade in such goods within their borders, except that if any imported goods received government subsidies within their country of origin at higher rates than equivalent goods are subsidised within the receiving nation then additional tariffs may be imposed to balance that difference.
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:57 pm

I hate to play the role you generally play, ambassador, but is this really an "international issue?
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Postby Discoveria » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:36 am

What Bergnovinaia said. I'm also concerned that this will lead to one proposal for every possible trade or industry, until the WA has resolutions on everything from aardvark sanctuaries to Zumba class instructors.
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:49 am

Bergnovinaia wrote:I hate to play the role you generally play, ambassador, but is this really an "international issue?

"As the only binding clause concerns international trade: Yes, it is."


Discoveria wrote:What Bergnovinaia said. I'm also concerned that this will lead to one proposal for every possible trade or industry, until the WA has resolutions on everything from aardvark sanctuaries to Zumba class instructors.

OOC: Actually I originally started drafting it as a response to all of that 'Legalise Prostitution' business, 'on the basis that the Bears consider bee-keeping a far more important trade than that to encourage... but as multiple 'mild' resolutions each encouraging a different trade would have a better cumulative effect than a few stronger ones of significantly broader scope, why not take this route?
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:19 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:I hate to play the role you generally play, ambassador, but is this really an "international issue?

"As the only binding clause concerns international trade: Yes, it is."


Discoveria wrote:What Bergnovinaia said. I'm also concerned that this will lead to one proposal for every possible trade or industry, until the WA has resolutions on everything from aardvark sanctuaries to Zumba class instructors.

OOC: Actually I originally started drafting it as a response to all of that 'Legalise Prostitution' business, 'on the basis that the Bears consider bee-keeping a far more important trade than that to encourage... but as multiple 'mild' resolutions each encouraging a different trade would have a better cumulative effect than a few stronger ones of significantly broader scope, why not take this route?


"Ha, that's entertaining," said Ms. Thekenbail laughing hysterically. "Bee keeping... international trade. Good one, ambassador. Now, I know bears like honey, but I don't think that is a reason this bill should be even considered."
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Postby Raurosia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:25 am

I support this unconditionally.
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Postby Alqania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:40 am

"Bees are a somewhat tricky kind of property", Lord Raekevik mused. "Assuming we are talking about non-sapient bees, of course, many a conflict could arise from one person's bees flying onto another person's land. I would trust member states to sort that out internally however as far as domestic conflicts are concerned, but what about bee-keeping in border areas? If I were to keep bees back home and they were to cross the border into another country, could I trust that the bees would still be mine and that I could follow them across the border?"
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:56 am

Alqania wrote:"Bees are a somewhat tricky kind of property", Lord Raekevik mused. "Assuming we are talking about non-sapient bees, of course, many a conflict could arise from one person's bees flying onto another person's land. I would trust member states to sort that out internally however as far as domestic conflicts are concerned, but what about bee-keeping in border areas? If I were to keep bees back home and they were to cross the border into another country, could I trust that the bees would still be mine and that I could follow them across the border?"

"Hr'rmm, good point. We could maybeso add a a clause, or an extra section within one of the existing 'active' clauses, to cover such situations."
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Postby The Solarian Isles » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:14 pm

I see no real trouble with this resolution. Considering the potential effects on agriculture of the global decline in the bee population, easing international restrictions could help with with research on the problem, and the easy spread of potentially more survivable varieties. You have our support, Your Excellency.

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Postby A Lovely Bunch of Coconuts » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:47 pm

Cool idea, bees are such an under-appreciated part of agriculture. I think it is international related as a lack of bees would certainly have effect on international trade and food sources.

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Postby Kingborough » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:23 pm

This is a most important resolution and we support it heartily; it is good to see something other than a bill on abortion, prostitution, or guns on this floor.
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Postby Zaklen » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:39 am

Zaklen supports this if the part about international hive trade is reworded so that safety checks can be made to avoid the transfer of diseased bees.
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Postby Corporation de Apple » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:47 am

Bears Armed Mission wrote:Ursiosina RedRose, who is the Commercial Attaché for Bears Armed's mission here, enters the chamber and adds a new document to those that are being circulated _


[b]Promotion of Bee-Keeping
*snip*

We are in full approval of this draft.
We love honey, here.
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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:32 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Alqania wrote:"Bees are a somewhat tricky kind of property", Lord Raekevik mused. "Assuming we are talking about non-sapient bees, of course, many a conflict could arise from one person's bees flying onto another person's land. I would trust member states to sort that out internally however as far as domestic conflicts are concerned, but what about bee-keeping in border areas? If I were to keep bees back home and they were to cross the border into another country, could I trust that the bees would still be mine and that I could follow them across the border?"

"Hr'rmm, good point. We could maybeso add a a clause, or an extra section within one of the existing 'active' clauses, to cover such situations."

"And... done: New section edited into the original draft, currently in green so that it's easily identifiable."

Zaklen wrote:Zaklen supports this if the part about international hive trade is reworded so that safety checks can be made to avoid the transfer of diseased bees.

"Such checks could already be made under the current wording, as that only urges nations to refrain from 'unreasonable' regulation -- whereas requiring imported bees undergo testing and/or quarantine would clearly be 'reasonable' instead if there is a risk of disease -- and specifically allows member nations to block imports when the latter would pose genuinely higher-than-normal health risks to (people,) bees (or other animals)..."



"However, as I'd actually anticpated from the start, the opening words for each of this draft's clauses need to be changed so that their first letters don't spell the word 'URSUS' -- as the first letters of the current choices do -- so that the proposal won't be ruled illegal on the grounds of
'branding'."
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:51 am

This is an international issue?

Fine, we approve of another bit of free trade legislation.

Bears Armed Mission wrote:"However, as I'd actually anticpated from the start, the opening words for each of this draft's clauses need to be changed so that their first letters don't spell the word 'URSUS' -- as the first letters of the current choices do -- so that the proposal won't be ruled illegal on the grounds of[/i] 'branding'."


Maybe you could use "Greatly saddened' or 'Encourages' or both? Then we get URGUS or URSES or URGES (and the latter might urge more votes).
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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:54 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Zaklen wrote:Zaklen supports this if the part about international hive trade is reworded so that safety checks can be made to avoid the transfer of diseased bees.

"Such checks could already be made under the current wording, as that only urges nations to refrain from 'unreasonable' regulation -- whereas requiring imported bees undergo testing and/or quarantine would clearly be 'reasonable' instead if there is a risk of disease -- and specifically allows member nations to block imports when the latter would pose genuinely higher-than-normal health risks to (people,) bees (or other animals)..."

"And now I've changed the wording to make this -- hopefully -- clearer, anyhows."

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
Bears Armed Mission wrote:"However, as I'd actually anticipated from the start, the opening words for each of this draft's clauses need to be changed so that their first letters don't spell the word 'URSUS' -- as the first letters of the current choices do -- so that the proposal won't be ruled illegal on the grounds of[/i] 'branding'."


Maybe you could use "Greatly saddened' or 'Encourages' or both? Then we get URGUS or URSES or URGES (and the latter might urge more votes).

"As you'll see if you check the new draft that's now posted at the start of this thread, at my government's request I have tried to make those changes in such a way that the clauses' first letters actually out the word 'HONEY' instead... although so far I have been unable to think of a suitable word beginning with 'Y' for the start of the fifth clause."


(OOC: Mod ruling was that 'HONEY' shouldn't count as branding...)
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Postby McMasterdonia » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:52 am

I won't be supporting this. I'm surprised Bee-keeping is even considered an issue worth putting before the World Assembly

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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:11 am

McMasterdonia wrote:I won't be supporting this. I'm surprised Bee-keeping is even considered an issue worth putting before the World Assembly

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:05 am

Bears Armed wrote:
McMasterdonia wrote:I won't be supporting this. I'm surprised Bee-keeping is even considered an issue worth putting before the World Assembly

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"but... but... Is a verrry important subject!"

I'm not sure if bees are crucial for the food chain of the whole world according to NationStates. I think it is for Minoa, since we produce a lot of honey, but I'm not sure if it applies for all sentient species.

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Postby Eireann Fae » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:16 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I'm not sure if bees are crucial for the food chain of the whole world according to NationStates. I think it is for Minoa, since we produce a lot of honey, but I'm not sure if it applies for all sentient species.


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Postby McMasterdonia » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:59 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
McMasterdonia wrote:I won't be supporting this. I'm surprised Bee-keeping is even considered an issue worth putting before the World Assembly

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"but... but... Is a verrry important subject!"


"That may be the case. It is my view, that this would be better dealt with at a local level. "

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Postby Haprusia » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:33 am

"Haprusia fully supports this proposal, because without bees the international trade of agricultural products would cease to exist, and that would be tragic. Rhe World Assembly must, ahem, 'convince', some of these more underdeveloped nations to legalize beekeeping."

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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:26 am

OOC: I've added the standard 'boilerplate' to keep it safe from the rule against contradicting older resolutions. Are there any constructive suggestions for further changes before I send this for a trial run?
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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:34 am

Submitted for a trial run.

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Postby Iksalvor » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:34 pm

While I don't see how this is in any way a pressing issue, I don't find anything inherently wrong or restrictive in the proposal. I have my doubts about it, but if this should actually make the floor for a vote, I see no harm in supporting the resolution.

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