NationStates

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:22 am**

By "realistically" I meant that a Rule 4 compliant Commendation of Flag Thief would read something like "recognising that stealing flags provides great entertainment for other nations" - which whilst true, would also be a rather... lame argument. Also, read "IC" in my previous post as "SC IC".

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:26 am**

Ok, I stick with "no commendation, no condemnation". Just leave Flag Thief alone. Have a nice day everyone.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:51 am**

Ballotonia wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:This proposal is like Condemn Der Fuhrer Dyszel, in that it's meant as a Commendation of the player's work, but the actions can only realistically be recognised in a Rule 4 compliant way (In Character) through a Condemnation.

While you may have a preference for a Condemnation over a Commendation, I do not see the link with Rule 4. That rule talks about the resolution being readable as coming from a nation, etc... It doesn't outlaw OOC. I believe there has been quite the ruckus in the SC to establish just that, it's not an 'Only RP Allowed' rule.

Ballotonia

Rule IV establishes what is SC-IC, and outlaws SC-OOC from resolutions. As Sedge has said, a commendation would be rather lame and contradictory to the SC's IC principles -- the closest example would be "Commend The Skeleton Army" (no offense meant, Sedge) which took the opposite route than this resolution preferred. I think the commendation of the Skeleton Army was a bit of a jab at raiders, they continually whine that they cannot get commended for raiding, so the resolution stands to proclaim that a raiding group that doesn't actually raid is the most commendable of them all. XD

I think "Condemn Omigodtheykilledkenny" is the major precedent for this resolution, but "Condemn Der Fuhrer Dyszel" also can be cited as precedent.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:27 pm**

I say condemn. Flag thievery is one of the most heinous of crimes and is a matter of security. The Principality of Rosbough will not stand for anything that compromises the security of its people.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:54 pm**

I have looked at the most recent Flag Thief condemnation, and have voted against it. My reason for this action is mainly because the author uses Pacific law to support his condemnation. Clearly, Pacific law does not apply to other regions. Therefore some of the mentioned points have to be disregarded, and it would be most favorable if the condemnation were to be amended.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:14 pm**

The United Earth Alliance wrote:I have looked at the most recent Flag Thief condemnation, and have voted against it. My reason for this action is mainly because the author uses Pacific law to support his condemnation. Clearly, Pacific law does not apply to other regions. Therefore some of the mentioned points have to be disregarded, and it would be most favorable if the condemnation were to be amended.

Umm... but it does apply to the Pacific...

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:02 pm**

Voted for. Normally I would shy away from condemnations -- but the evidence appears overwhelming, whatever law is utilized.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:31 am**

Against. These witch hunts never lead to anything good

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:59 am**

Corumm wrote:Against. These witch hunts never lead to anything good

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:30 pm**

Some people, unlike myself put hours into their flag and deserve the right to be the only nation allowed to use that flag!

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:06 pm**

Well if our leader hadn't sold all of our nukes to the Zoblacons our response to the theft of the Stickthing Banner would be a volley of fission firepower! If a nation can't show some good old sovereignty assertion then they deserve to be imitated. "Copy us and die!" is our motto! That being said we are voting against this resolution with the conviction that all of you "victims" are just a bunch of crybabies!

OOC: I support this IRL, but it would be uncharacteristic for my nation to vote in favour.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:14 pm**

Windy Cities and Ice wrote:Some people, unlike myself put hours into their flag and deserve the right to be the only nation allowed to use that flag!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Does the Cwybaby needs a ba-ba? Like the ape-woman said nuke anyone with the audacity to imitate you and there shouldn't be a problem!

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:20 pm**

Zoblacon wrote:
Windy Cities and Ice wrote:Some people, unlike myself put hours into their flag and deserve the right to be the only nation allowed to use that flag!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Does the Cwybaby needs a ba-ba? Like the ape-woman said nuke anyone with the audacity to imitate you and there shouldn't be a problem!

Your Excellency, are you saying that we actually agree on something? I never thought the day would come.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:26 pm**

Just a reminder to participants in this thread that puppetwank is forbidden in At Vote debates.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:30 pm**

? What on earth is that?

(if you can tell in the presence of some of the preschool nations in the SC)

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:31 pm**

Using multiple nations that aren't clearly identified as your own to debate a proposal.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:32 pm**

Ah. Seen the concept, never heard that particular phrase before.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:41 pm**

Delegate Burroughs recases his works and rises to speak to the forum, his voice is worn and shaky yet still demanding of attention.

It is the belief of this delegation that with each proposal this council is becoming more and more of a side show, and it is with this belief in mind that we are voting for this resolution because stealing flags and people getting all bent out of shape about it makes for a pretty entertaining side show. Thanks for the laughs.

The aging Burroughs returns to the delegation, lights a joint and falls on the ground laughing.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:36 pm**

Durkadurkiranistan II wrote:Against. He's a cool dude and I was flattered when he 'stole' my flag several months back.

agree i mean who cares who steals what.

Posted: **Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:04 pm**

I thank you all for my condemn badge. I shall wear it with pride on all my future flag thefts.

Posted: **Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:07 pm**

Flag Thief wrote:I thank you all for my condemn badge. I shall wear it with pride on all my future flag thefts.

Awesome.

Posted: **Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:23 pm**

Flag Thief wrote:I thank you all for my condemn badge. I shall wear it with pride on all my future flag thefts.

But... but... aren't you supposed to be so shocked that you were condemned that you immediately stop stealing flags?!?!

Ballotonia

Posted: **Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:27 am**

Just like how nations immediately stop doing bad things when the real life United Nations passes sanctions and statements of condemnation against them.

NationStates

[Passed] Condemn Flag Thief

Hard work