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[PASSED] Liberate Wonderful Paradise

Postby Unibot II » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:42 pm

The Security Council,

Having considered the following annotations:

Annot.1§ Before the most recent invasion of Wonderful Paradise, the region was a small but healthy colony of The Mega Region. In Early December, the region had about 20 nations and an active regional message board (RMB). Several attempts from raiders to invade it had been attempted and ultimately quashed by the natives of the region, The Mega Region and the Founderless Regions Alliance (FRA),

Annot.2§ On Jan 29 2011, Flaming Soul Forces had become delegate of Wonderful Paradise and implemented a password. Flaming Soul Forces was a native who was planning to leave the region. Flaming Soul Forces established a password for the region's security, but after incidentally endorsing a raider sleeper, The Undead Reich, said raider became delegate,

Annot.3§ A brief excursion from the region by some of the old natives, allowed the sleeper raider to successfully eject the remaining natives and alter the password, without an opportunity for reprisal from the natives or defenders,

ACKNOWLEDGING that the remaining natives of Wonderful Paradise, including Demphor, have taken refuge in The Mega Region, and have sponsored this liberation -- expressing their wishes to return to Wonderful Paradise,

UNDERSTANDING that NAZI EUROPE is responsible for these acts, having claimed Wonderful Paradise as its property. Although the mission was ordered by a former delegate who is no longer affiliated with NAZI EUROPE, The Undead Reich remains adamant to maintain the acquisition of Wonderful Paradise. The Undead Reich has declared, "[NAZI EUROPE] has spent over a year and a half kissing the ground that the [Security Council] walked on to get a repeal [of their] condemnation. And yet [NAZI EUROPE] continued to get stepped on and kicked to the side. Frankly, [NAZI EUROPE is] tired of it. If [NAZI EUROPE is] going to [be] treated like monsters, by god [they] are going to act like it",

BELIEVING that this is an insufficient justification for the forceful removal of a region's natives or the continued acquisition of Wonderful Paradise because two wrongs do not make a right -- any injustices that NAZI EUROPE thinks have been committed against them cannot serve as a defense of any new injustice that NAZI EUROPE has perpetrated,

HEREBY LIBERATES Wonderful Paradise.
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Postby Takaram » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:44 pm

Someone else may contradict me here, but I see no issues with it.

EDIT: And in case you couldn't already figure, I'm for.
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Postby Unibot II » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:18 pm

Takaram wrote:Someone else may contradict me here, but I see no issues with it.

EDIT: And in case you couldn't already figure, I'm for.


Yeah, it's a complex situation, I'm still getting the details myself, it looks like the senior members of NAZI EUROPE may not have been involved, or it was Laos.
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Postby Cinistra » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:37 am

A nice piece of work by Undead Reich :clap: . Yes, let's liberate the region, opening it up to raiders again. No, just kidding.
AGAINST, of course.
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Postby Unibot II » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:52 am

Cinistra wrote:A nice piece of work by Undead Reich :clap: . Yes, let's liberate the region, opening it up to raiders again. No, just kidding.
AGAINST, of course.

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Postby Lietvos » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:55 am

Against.

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Postby SkipperThePenguin » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:59 am

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Postby Cinistra » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:19 am

Unibot II wrote:
Cinistra wrote:A nice piece of work by Undead Reich :clap: . Yes, let's liberate the region, opening it up to raiders again. No, just kidding.
AGAINST, of course.

:roll:

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Well, that tactics are shared by many players. As long as there are raiders vs fenda cases, either side will take the opposite stand. Nice card, though.
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>Can I invade other people's regions?

Yes. The practice of "region crashing," where a group of nations all move to a region with the aim of seizing the WA Delegate position, is part of the game. Certain groups within NationStates are particularly adroit at this, and can attack very quickly.
>Once I've taken over a region, can I eject everyone else?

You can try. Invader Delegates tend to have very little Regional Influence, which makes ejecting long-time residents difficult. But Delegates can be as kind, generous, evil, or despotic as they wish. It's up to regional residents to elect good Delegates.

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Postby SkipperThePenguin » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:43 am

Unibot II wrote:
Cinistra wrote:A nice piece of work by Undead Reich :clap: . Yes, let's liberate the region, opening it up to raiders again. No, just kidding.
AGAINST, of course.

:roll:

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Seeing as there are more Defender WA nations, it would be quiet easy for the Raider's to well mind control you by voting for what you would originally vote for. Thus making you change your mind.
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Postby Unibot II » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:50 am

SkipperThePenguin wrote:Seeing as there are more Defender WA nations, it would be quiet easy for the Raider's to well mind control you by voting for what you would originally vote for. Thus making you change your mind.


And if I do the opposite of that, by not following your 'advice', I'll be right on track. Thanks. ;)
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Postby Unibot II » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:53 am

SkipperThePenguin wrote:Seeing as there are more Defender WA nations, it would be quiet easy for the Raider's to well mind control you by voting for what you would originally vote for. Thus making you change your mind.


And if I do the opposite of that, by not following your 'advice', I'll be right on track. Thanks. ;)

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Postby Numdia » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:36 pm

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Postby Laos Refugees » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:01 pm

I totally forgot I ordered Undead Reich to do that, huh, little Nazi blighters actually did accomplish something, pity.

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Postby Darenjo » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:29 pm

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Postby The Undead Reich » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:39 am

Actually Soul Forces left after I kicked every other member. I ran out of influence to eject him. And i was acting under orders that I believed still stood. And I'd like you to go off and draft up liberations for the 3 regions that I've seen raided today.

I believe this is an attack against NAZI EUROPE, I rarely see liberations against anything else and the WA seems to have a sole mission to destroy every victory, accomplishment or move forward we gain.

We spent over a year and a half kissing the ground that the SC walked on to get a repeal from condemnation. And yet we continued to get steped on and kicked to the side. Frankly, we're tired of it. If we are going to treated like monsters, by god we are going to act like it

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Postby Unibot II » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:48 am

I'm happy to see you're taking the high road. :roll: Can you explain to me what the WFE means regarding "You should have listened to him."
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Postby Demphor » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:25 pm

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Postby Improving Wordiness » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:30 pm

I am for liberation.
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Postby Numdia » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:47 am

The Undead Reich wrote:We spent over a year and a half kissing the ground that the SC walked on to get a repeal from condemnation. And yet we continued to get steped on and kicked to the side. Frankly, we're tired of it. If we are going to treated like monsters, by god we are going to act like it


Ya, how did you get un-condemned anyway? You guys have one of the most hated ideologies ever, you invade region after region, many of your members (no, not necessarily you) rant on the forums, etc. And besides, I wouldn't complain. At least your still around, and God knows that's a miracle given how you act.

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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:51 am

Stick to debating the proposal, please.

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Postby Chickenland Army » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:59 pm

We support liberation resolution. But I was wondering if the Undead Reich chose to leave then the region could cease to exist -- then be refounded by him or her or anyone else for that matter. Would a Liberation Resolution placed upon a founderless region that is then vacated and refounded lose the Liberation Resolution / ability to block posting up a regional password?

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Postby Takaram » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:15 pm

Chickenland Army wrote:We support liberation resolution. But I was wondering if the Undead Reich chose to leave then the region could cease to exist -- then be refounded by him or her or anyone else for that matter. Would a Liberation Resolution placed upon a founderless region that is then vacated and refounded lose the Liberation Resolution / ability to block posting up a regional password?


More likely than not, defenders or natives would move it and save the region from CTEing until normality could be restored.

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